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Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by angry_octet »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #10
underseacables wrote: post #4

I have no problem with this. I worked at a company about five years ago where employees used G chat to say some really nasty things about other employees. I only found out because one of them was using a temporary laptop that we had to do presentations, and I opened it up and G chat loaded and there was this disgusting talk about other employees trashing them, talking about the religion, all of this stuff. People ven…

Certainly company tools are under company control. Yet in the age of the pandemic consider that the bar isn't an option. One could start a Signal conversation or group, but it's higher effort. Of course there are some lines we shouldn't cross, even if just venting. Hopefully we can all learn to be more gracious and humble, while maintaining a healthy amount of candor.

It's a good reminder that 'conversations' on Slack/Teams etc are NOT conversations, they are posts on a company message board.

If you want an OTR conversation then do it in person (though they might record it on their phone or take a contemporaneous memo, a la Trump Whitehouse), or in Signals with expiring messages (though even then you might need to assume the other party is screen capping the messages).

So best of all is to assume your messages/chats will be leaked selectively. Avoid gossip and innuendo!

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by MrStonedOne »

I don't really think I can judge this from the perspective I sit from. This can refer to all matters of magnitudes of disparaging.

Oh wait, I can:

> According to sources, their immediate boss, vp original films marketing Jonathan Helfgot, whom they also criticized, was extremely reluctant to fire the three for their comments, arguing that employees vent as a matter of course and such dire consequences were not warranted. But sources say he succumbed to pressure from higher-ups at the company.

It is clear that their direct boss did not find cause in their messages to fire them. So ya, this is bullshit over hurt egos. Time for PUTs on NFLX as it is clear corporate culture will devour them.

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by dehrmann »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #10
underseacables wrote: post #4

I have no problem with this. I worked at a company about five years ago where employees used G chat to say some really nasty things about other employees. I only found out because one of them was using a temporary laptop that we had to do presentations, and I opened it up and G chat loaded and there was this disgusting talk about other employees trashing them, talking about the religion, all of this stuff. People ven…

Certainly company tools are under company control. Yet in the age of the pandemic consider that the bar isn't an option. One could start a Signal conversation or group, but it's higher effort. Of course there are some lines we shouldn't cross, even if just venting. Hopefully we can all learn to be more gracious and humble, while maintaining a healthy amount of candor.

If you're in California (Netflix is based there, so it's likely), you need both parties' consent to record a conversation in a setting you'd reasonably consider private. You're probably (I am not a lawyer) better off venting over Zoom because if your employer admits to recording the call without your knowledge, they could be in for a legal headache.

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by Meph504 »

dehrmann wrote: post #13
paulryanrogers wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly company tools are under company control. Yet in the age of the pandemic consider that the bar isn't an option. One could start a Signal conversation or group, but it's higher effort. Of course there are some lines we shouldn't cross, even if just venting. Hopefully we can all learn to be more gracious and humble, while maintaining a healthy amount of candor.

If you're in California (Netflix is based there, so it's likely), you need both parties' consent to record a conversation in a setting you'd reasonably consider private. You're probably (I am not a lawyer) better off venting over Zoom because if your employer admits to recording the call without your knowledge, they could be in for a legal headache.

When you are using work equipment, you should not, consider your communications private unless specifically indicated.

In a work environment your reasonable expectation is to your person, and personal belongings.

There has been exceptions in both directions but in general, this seems to be the agreed upon rules.

So if you want to vent, use your personal phone, on your service providers, using software not owned and managed by your employer.

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by smitop »

dehrmann wrote: post #13
paulryanrogers wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly company tools are under company control. Yet in the age of the pandemic consider that the bar isn't an option. One could start a Signal conversation or group, but it's higher effort. Of course there are some lines we shouldn't cross, even if just venting. Hopefully we can all learn to be more gracious and humble, while maintaining a healthy amount of candor.

If you're in California (Netflix is based there, so it's likely), you need both parties' consent to record a conversation in a setting you'd reasonably consider private. You're probably (I am not a lawyer) better off venting over Zoom because if your employer admits to recording the call without your knowledge, they could be in for a legal headache.

Presumably most employment contracts/usage policies explicitly give consent to the employer to access any private data that is stored on their systems? That would seem like a reasonable thing for an employer to mandate.

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by sMarsIntruder »

foobaw wrote: post #3
tw04 wrote: post #2

On the one hand, they should have known better than to use netflix communication channels to talk negatively about work/bosses. On the other hand, it's a REALLY bad look for Netflix to fire employees for chatting negatively about their boss in private messages. The whole "we're radically transparent" sounds like a horrible excuse for someone's ego getting bruised. I guarantee there are hundreds if not thousands of pr…

It's unclear if these were private messages. It's possible these were posted on public channels. AFAIK, Slack doesn't allow companies/IT access to private messages unless there are legal implications.

As far as I know you can ask a complete dump of their DB through a simple GDPR request.

Re: Netflix Fires Marketing Execs for Criticizing Bosses over Slack

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Post by traveler01 »

underseacables wrote: post #4

I have no problem with this. I worked at a company about five years ago where employees used G chat to say some really nasty things about other employees. I only found out because one of them was using a temporary laptop that we had to do presentations, and I opened it up and G chat loaded and there was this disgusting talk about other employees trashing them, talking about the religion, all of this stuff. People ven…

Very true I've seen too many cases of these kind of things ruinning entirely the work environment. If people can't get along, the productivity will surely be low.
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