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Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by xiaoqmabd » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 12:31 PM UTC

mycroftiv wrote: post #3

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Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by crazy2k » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 1:08 PM UTC

Why the fork?

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by rkalla » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 1:27 PM UTC

richardk wrote: post #8

https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/Mascot lol

haha, I love the vibe of the project. Seems like a fun team. I do miss Glenda though. Getting someone to color her in would have been a good mascot.

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by thristian » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 1:30 PM UTC

After having some experience trying to write portable Bourne Shell scripts, I recently came across Tom Duff's paper[1] describing the "rc" shell used by Plan 9. I was quite blown away by the number of common shell-scripting problems it solves, and the elegance of the resulting language. There's no chance of it replacing, say, Python, but I'm sorely tempted to install Plan 9 From User Space and try out rc the next time I need to script something.

[1]: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/rc

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by rkalla » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 1:32 PM UTC

mask_of_zorro wrote: post #10

Oh boy! So now instead of one going nowhere OS, there are two going nowhere OSes, only with one going nowhere slightly faster.

It takes no effort to be a wet blanket; all you have to do is lie there, covered in water, and drown out anyone else trying to do anything.

How many emails/comments/posts EXACTLY like what you just wrote happened in 1991?

No one is saying what Plan9 will or won't become, but that also means you have no idea where it is going in 10 years or what fun innovations will come out of it.

Don't make a habit of shitting on people thinking outside the box, you'll miss a lot of interesting things.

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by rkalla » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 1:36 PM UTC

EthanG wrote: post #4

Oh no, they're taking us seriously! Quick, add more swastikas! Heh, seriously, 9front development is done more in fun than anything else, but the 3 main developers are sufficiently talented that rapid progress is being made in several areas where most 9fans tend to struggle. Not only that but 9front's developers seem to be very good at avoiding getting bogged down in peripheral features which divert effort from the d…

Ethan, the fun vibe of the project really shows through. I think it is inspiring and inviting. Glad to see you guys having fun with some really cool tech. Keep pushing it forward and keeping us posted!

The native Go integration was a really good move; a lot of interested cross-overs I am sure from the Go community will get into 9front because of that attractive piece.

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by p9idf » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 2:17 PM UTC

mask_of_zorro wrote: post #10

Oh boy! So now instead of one going nowhere OS, there are two going nowhere OSes, only with one going nowhere slightly faster.

If you can't see the point of operating systems research, how else would you like to see the state of the art advanced?

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by p9idf » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 2:21 PM UTC

thristian wrote: post #14

After having some experience trying to write portable Bourne Shell scripts, I recently came across Tom Duff's paper[1] describing the "rc" shell used by Plan 9. I was quite blown away by the number of common shell-scripting problems it solves, and the elegance of the resulting language. There's no chance of it replacing, say, Python, but I'm sorely tempted to install Plan 9 From User Space and try out rc the next tim…

Erik Quanstrom has a version which fixes some of Rc's faults, like having no return statement and the weird ifs behaviour.

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by uriel » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 2:59 PM UTC

thristian wrote: post #14

After having some experience trying to write portable Bourne Shell scripts, I recently came across Tom Duff's paper[1] describing the "rc" shell used by Plan 9. I was quite blown away by the number of common shell-scripting problems it solves, and the elegance of the resulting language. There's no chance of it replacing, say, Python, but I'm sorely tempted to install Plan 9 From User Space and try out rc the next tim…

rc is a truly beautiful thing.

I wrote a pretty complex web framework and CMS with it ( http://werc.cat-v.org ), and the more I used it, the more I loved it.

I found it to be extremely well crafted, with every feature fitting beautifully with the rest, it misses many fancy things people expect, but once you know your way around what it has, you can do almost anything.

Like awk, is one of those few languages that you can fully keep in your head, and that plus the power of calling other Unix/Plan 9 commands makes it very effective.

Re: Plan9 has been forked: 9front

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Post by uriel » Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 3:00 PM UTC

p9idf wrote: post #18

thristian wrote: post #14

After having some experience trying to write portable Bourne Shell scripts, I recently came across Tom Duff's paper[1] describing the "rc" shell used by Plan 9. I was quite blown away by the number of common shell-scripting problems it solves, and the elegance of the resulting language. There's no chance of it replacing, say, Python, but I'm sorely tempted to install Plan 9 From User Space and try out rc the next tim…

Erik Quanstrom has a version which fixes some of Rc's faults, like having no return statement and the weird ifs behaviour.

The lack of return statements is rarely missed, although it could be handy in some cases, there are ways around it.

There is nothing weird about ifs' behavior once you understand it.

Byron's rc tried to 'fix' ifs, and made everything worse.