I’ve learned recently about the “Ivanhoe Gap” and it’s a very interesting concept to consider.
For those wondering: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/842...
I knew about it but I didn't know about the clever name.
A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)
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#12Is there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from t…
By this time a significant pprtion of the varangian guard were actually anglo saxon.
Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)
#13Is there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from t…
> It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue.
The article states that they didn’t want to be ruled by the Normans so they left and wandered around the Mediterranean then went to Constantinople to help with a siege. Then they were told they could settle an area that wasn’t currently under the Byzantine Empire’s control, which was in Crimea.
Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)
#14Is there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from t…
By this time a significant pprtion of the varangian guard were actually anglo saxon.
for all the fanfare the vikings get, the anglo-saxons were nearly as infamous as raiders and pirates, although usually in a slightly earlier era.
Consider how they came to conquer and settle England.
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#15Is there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from t…
> It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. The article states that they didn’t want to be ruled by the Normans so they left and wandered around the Mediterranean then went to Constantinople to help with a siege. Then they were told they could settle an area that wasn’t currently under the Byzantine Empire’s control, which was in Crimea.
The novel "The Last English King" by Julian Rathbone [1] centers on one of Harold's housecarls who, after the defeat at Hastings, travels widely over Europe and the Near East before returning to Norman England.
Interesting to see there may be some historical fact behind it.
1 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-English-King-Julian-Rathbone/d...
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#16Glad to see that not everywhere on the internet thinks anglo-saxons don't really exist.
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#17Gytha of Wessex the daughter of the last Anglo-Saxon king of England married Rus ruler Vladimir II Monomakh after fleeing from England conquered by Normans. The "queen" of the Rus was effectively Anglo-Saxong emigree.
Her great-great grandson was Alexander Nevsky, widely recognized in Russia as the greatest national hero.
It seems many anglo-saxons migrated to Rus after the conquest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_of_Wessex If you like history of that part of the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ayBcrZWJ8
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
By this time a significant pprtion of the varangian guard were actually anglo saxon.
for all the fanfare the vikings get, the anglo-saxons were nearly as infamous as raiders and pirates, although usually in a slightly earlier era. Consider how they came to conquer and settle England.
And on a tangent to a tangent: The Old norse word for ‘boat’ is usually ‘bátr’, not the expected inherited ‘beitr’. The former is a loanword from Anglo-saxon and the inherited ’beitr’ is only found in poetry. While anecdotal, it is interesting that a culture so associated with seafaring as the viking-age Scandinavia borrowed the word for boat.
Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)
#19This saga would make for some very interesting historical fiction.
I really like the Netflix series “The last kingdom” , it is a nice blend of both!
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#20I’ve learned recently about the “Ivanhoe Gap” and it’s a very interesting concept to consider.
I wonder if part of it might be people on the up-and-up adopting a posh sounding name.