Live data from Hacker News

Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

raisingfutureadults.blogspot.com

11–20 of 88 posts

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#11

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

> That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal.

Even today, I remember one "crazy conclusion" like the article talks about from I was very small (probably around 3). We lived near a river, which I inferred must be circular (like an ouroboros), because otherwise it would drain away. For some reason I can't exactly recall, I thought the town across the river was on the island this would form, and the town I lived in was along the outside edge. This of course meant that you could go to the center of the other town, but not to the center of our town.

I also have memories that were certainly from before I was 2 1/2 (my family moved then, so they stuck with me because that made them distinct). One of these memories is obviously real, but got "patched up" with some peripheral details from a little later in life. The memory was set outside at the bottom of the stairs of the apartment where my parents lived when I was born, the peripheral details of the design of those stairs and the setting beyond my immediate vicinity got replaced with those of different apartment building near our new house). I only realized this when I was 10, and we visited the town where I was born and went back to that apartment building.

Also, none of these memories were traumatic in the slightest. They were just little forgettable things to an adult that were new and unusual to me as a toddler.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#13

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

I felt the same way. I never buy it when people say they remember anything when they were two. I have 5 kids, one is only 2, but none of the other 4 remember anything from when they were two. I guess people can be different but I have a hard time believing it.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#14

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

I buy the explanation that it’s trauma. When I was an infant I had a lot of surreal hallucinations, and I have many early memories because of that. It was like my brain was mixing dream imagery into my waking vision. Definitely some kind of mental illness, but it went away eventually! ;P

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#15

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

He doesn’t. He remembers his mom telling him about the incident and it has morphed into him thinking he remembers it.

My kid swears he remembers this one incident that my wife and I joke about, but what he remembers is the video of it. You physically don’t have the brain cells for long term memories until around age 5 which is why most childhood memories start around there.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#16
I vaguely remember when I was less than 4 years, where things had a dream like quality.

A butterfly landed on my shoulder and I didn't see it take off so I thought it had gone through my skin into my body. Freaked me out a bit :(

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#17

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

There's probably some genetic switch flipped or something. I can remember back to age 9 months. I tried writing out all my early-childhood memories ( I have one therapist friend who said that early memories are a sign of trauma, but then I've also had therapists that say early memories are a sign of giftedness. Maybe these are one and the same, and developing consciousness and memory too early is its own form of trau…

> I'd heard all my friends saying they basically couldn't remember anything before age 10, and I thought "bullshit", but apparently they're the ones who are normal and I'm the one who's a psychological oddity.

That doesn't seem normal, either. I mean, they couldn't even remember a friend they had from first grade? Maybe they weren't prompted adequately.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#18

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

He doesn’t. He remembers his mom telling him about the incident and it has morphed into him thinking he remembers it. My kid swears he remembers this one incident that my wife and I joke about, but what he remembers is the video of it. You physically don’t have the brain cells for long term memories until around age 5 which is why most childhood memories start around there.

Interested in the source for the "You physically don't have the brain cells for long term memories until around age 5" to go look at.

I have some recall of a few, vivid, subjective, first person, "umwelt"-style memories of events that I can date to before I was five.

These feel very different to my normal "episodic" memories.

Having spoken to my dad about the same subject before, he has some that he can place to about age 2 or 3.

I'm not arguing your point; granted, memory is reconstructive imaging from some engram and not a replay of some recording and I'm super convinced that our brains and mind go through several developmental stages that function quite differently.

I also find it super interesting that people with hyperthymesia usually have a perfect recall start date a bit after age 10.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#19

That a 16-year old remembers such detail about age 3 seems… unusual. I don’t mean a memory here or there; this child remembers very specific experiences and the feelings he had about them when he was almost pre-verbal. Seems almost incredible.

He doesn’t. He remembers his mom telling him about the incident and it has morphed into him thinking he remembers it. My kid swears he remembers this one incident that my wife and I joke about, but what he remembers is the video of it. You physically don’t have the brain cells for long term memories until around age 5 which is why most childhood memories start around there.

Well I have very specific memories from ages 3-5 and they couldn’t have been from someone telling me about it, so that can’t be right.

Re: Crazy Conclusions in Early Childhood

#20
post #9

Maybe it's due to my lack of experience raising children but a lot of this seems very bizarre. A sixteen year old remembering events from when they were three? Staying up till three AM talking to their parent? Being scared of other people seeing them as stupid before the age of three? The article doesn't come out and say whether this child was diagnosed by a professional but it seems obvious to me that they should've…

The specifics all sound borderline traumatic for the child, so if he remembers anything at all he'll remember these events in particular. I've got plenty of memories from about the age of 5 - almost all of them scary or embarrassing for little me. And I'm nearing 40. When I was 16 could I still remember stuff from the age of 3? I wouldn't be surprised. I remember loving ducks and trains for some reason when I was abo…

Yeah, fear-tinged memories seem to stand out:

I can remember being in my parent's bed on a moonlit night, them asleep, being scared at the shadows of the trees on the windows. The shadows looked like monsters.

This happened in a small town we moved from when I was 4 or 5.

Strangely a lot of these memories were "un-indexed". I had no association to recall them with until my son was about that age and when he had similar experiences I recalled mine.

Post reply on HN