Telegram is not E2EE. Avoid.
Group Video Calls
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Re: Group Video Calls
#12Is any of this end-to-end encrypted?
Likely not, else they'd have confirmed it in their announcement and/or updated their E2E 1-to-1 video call documentation. The Verge asked and never got a response: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/28/22407752/telegram-group-v...
Documentation I mentioned: https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end/video-calls
Re: Group Video Calls
#13Is any of this end-to-end encrypted?
And ephemeral, when desired by the user.
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#14Telegram is not E2EE. Avoid.
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#15Is any of this end-to-end encrypted?
And ephemeral, when desired by the user.
This is kind of loaded. I do think Telegram does an excellent job at ephemerality from a practical standpoint. Without being able to audit their server though, we have no clue if 'disappeared' chats and messages are actually scrubbed from their server.
I was once banned from the service for playing around with very old clients and had a back and forth with them over email for a week or so (it was re-enabled and they apologized for the inconvenience). They are prickly and refuse to give any details over how data is managed.
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#16Lots of oppressive governments and controlling entities are not happy about it. Kudos to Telegram team!
How is telegram funded? App is near perfection so I wonder how this can be an ad free app.
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#17Lots of oppressive governments and controlling entities are not happy about it. Kudos to Telegram team!
How is telegram funded? App is near perfection so I wonder how this can be an ad free app.
Pavel Durov is a billionaire and this is his (and his brother's) pet project. He made his money starting VK (Russia's Facebook)
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#18I have long predicted that Telegram is the next facebook, but far better. Telegram is yet another centralized social network that is rolling out payments, video, etc.
It's not open source backend or customizable. But it's probably the most libertarian/freest one from the closed source solutions, that won't kick you off, and the software is very good.
We could consider integrating with them (for example, instead of connecting your mobile via sms, you could connect your telegram and then receive notifications there from some FTL bot).
PROBLEM
Still, of course, keep in mind it's a closed source and proprietary backend:
https://yalantis.com/blog/whats-wrong-telegram-open-api/
If you want an open source network to power "Web 2.0" communities, there aren't many good solutions. Diaspora, Matrix, Mastodon, Inrupt, etc. are just not on the same level as Telegram for regular users.
For Web 1.0 we have Wordpress, which powers 40% of all websites in the world now. But somehow for Web 2.0 there are no good alternatives, so all our public discourse is taking place on privately owned platforms, and now the US government has put out bills seeking to break up big tech. How about trying a more libertarian solution first: open source.
SOLUTION
We've been building something for the last 10 years, and giving it away as open source: https://github.com/Qbix
Here is a demo that we did for Yang's campaign two years ago, and kept it around as a demo, it has payments, video, etc. also but it uses open Web standards like WebRTC and WebPayments to do so, and it's completely open source: https://yang2020.app
PS
Web 3.0 is value transfer and programmable smart contracts, e.g. Ethereum web3 l9brary, etc. That happens to be radically open source (just like Web 1.0) because (for now) these blockhains and the code they run are all public, and you are encouraged to verify your smart contracts on EtherScan, etc.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have the most productive and high quality engineers in the game. And I say this as someone that whinces at telegram for not having e2e encryption by default.
> whinces at telegram for not having e2e encryption by default On desktop* there is no e2ee even among the options. * where "desktop" includes GNU/Linux phones.
As far that I'm aware, it is key management/distribution problem and how to expose it to the user. So in order to not manage them, only the device with the phone number that the account is registered with can do it.
Desktop apps are not the ones where you create Telegram account; you only authorize them.
For another example, Threema, which is E2EE by default, doesn't allow more than one device with the account (to use multiple devices, you must create several accounts, one for each device and link them, and then basically any chat is a group chat. For desktop use, the web client uses webrtc to talk to your device to use it as a proxy).
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#20Telegram is not E2EE. Avoid.
Your info is outdated.