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The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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It's really amazing they made their own for so long... hardware is a commodity business.

The original storage pod was only 1/7th as much as a Dell solution, and that didn't include any labor, software, blah blah blah.

They're still only buying the assembled hardware from Dell.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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If low volume is a problem for manufacturers because you don't need that much, the obvious solution is to increase volume by selling them. Of course that would introduce even more problems to solve, but at least volume wouldn't be one of them.

They already sell them, but personally I thought they were too expensive, probably they were adding a mark-up on their build price when selling them.

I don't think Backblaze ever sold them, but 45Drives does. I'm not sure if they assemble them for BB or if they were just using their published design.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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It's really amazing they made their own for so long... hardware is a commodity business.

>hardware is a commodity business.

The hardware components of the Backblaze Pod are commodities but the entire finished unit is not a commodity. E.g. the rough equivalent from 45drives is not a commodity: https://www.45drives.com/products/storinator-xl60-configurat...

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#14
Always love these articles, look forward to them without knowing it.

This one is particularly interesting as they discuss the logistical challenges of their own success in having to build more and more Storage Pods.

As always, a super fascinating read worth your time.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or dell forces them to buy their drives but their markup is not as high as their competitors?

The default markup is awful, check the Dell website. I'd describe the process of buying a drive from Dell a bit like getting mugged.

I imagine if you're buying sixty pods a month every month you have some leverage with Dell to get better prices, especially if you have a demonstrated ability to just walk away and build your own if you don't like their offer.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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I'm surprised Dell don't make they buy hard drives from them at a substantial mark-up, as they allude to vendors doing earlier in the story.

Or dell forces them to buy their drives but their markup is not as high as their competitors?

Dell (and, really, all server providers apart from Supermicro) have crazy markups on storage.

It's where they make most of their margin.

And then, most of the time, the drives they sell come on custom sleds that they don't sell separately as a form of DRM/lock in.

Then you get a nice little trade on Chinese-made sleds that sort of work, but not for anything recent like hot swap NVMe drives.

I'm sure BB were able to negotiate down a lot (Dell usually come down 50% off the list price if you press them hard enough for one off projects), but... yeah. That's how it generally goes.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#18

Did the surge in Chia mining affect global hard drive prices at all?

I've been watching drive prices, it's hard to say exactly why, but around mid April disk prices at Newegg and amazon jumped significantly. One drive that had been $300, jumped to $400, $500, and even spiked to $800 for a bit. By Jun 1st had dropped to $550, and only this week has dropped for $400. Still above the original $300, but at least a not terribly painful premium.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Did the surge in Chia mining affect global hard drive prices at all?

Not yet, but when Chia pools become available the mining will take off and hdd prices will most likely rice

Chia is a literal scam.

There's a massive amount of premined chia controlled by the "chia strategic reserve".

It will take a decade for the amount of mined value to equal the pre-mined value.

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