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Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

“ way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements” - sounds like discrimination and should be illegal. meanwhile, people in their 40s are dealing with leetcode BS to get a reasonable position with that sort of compensation even though they have an extensive track record.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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> Critics have long argued that Google and its tech industry peers favor white, Asian and male workers Google was 51.7% white in 2020, down from 54.4% in 2019 *. The US is 61.5% white, meaning whites are under-represented at Google, and increasingly so. How can one then argue they are favored? Why do reporters not apply even the smallest degree of scrutiny to such claims? * https://diversity.google/annual-report/

Google hires many people who are not from the US to come work in the US, so I don't think the 61.5% is reflective of their hiring pool.

Oh, okay. So we can keep claiming Google, a US company, favors white workers until when? Until less than 10%* of their US workers are white? Is that what being favored means? That companies in your own country look elsewhere to import workers?

*Ballpark white global population.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Google hires many people who are not from the US to come work in the US, so I don't think the 61.5% is reflective of their hiring pool.

Oh, okay. So we can keep claiming Google, a US company, favors white workers until when? Until less than 10%* of their US workers are white? Is that what being favored means? That companies in your own country look elsewhere to import workers? *Ballpark white global population.

All I'm saying is that your statistic does not disprove the allegation that Google's hiring processes might favor white workers. You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison, and drawing a conclusion that isn't demonstrated by the data.

I'm also not saying that these numbers prove that Google does favor white workers. Only that they are not sufficient to disprove the idea.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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> Critics have long argued that Google and its tech industry peers favor white, Asian and male workers Google was 51.7% white in 2020, down from 54.4% in 2019 *. The US is 61.5% white, meaning whites are under-represented at Google, and increasingly so. How can one then argue they are favored? Why do reporters not apply even the smallest degree of scrutiny to such claims? * https://diversity.google/annual-report/

What's "white" even mean? Descendants of north Europeans? Surface albedo of skin greater than 0.85 in the visible spectrum?

Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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What's "white" even mean? Descendants of north Europeans? Surface albedo of skin greater than 0.85 in the visible spectrum?

Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

Just so you know, Middle Eastern folks from Lebanon and Egypt fall under the race of "White" in the US census. Source: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-no...

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's "white" even mean? Descendants of north Europeans? Surface albedo of skin greater than 0.85 in the visible spectrum?

Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

What degree of purity is required to count as a European? Europeans can and do mix with non-europeans.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

Just so you know, Middle Eastern folks from Lebanon and Egypt fall under the race of "White" in the US census. Source: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-no...

The US Census categories are incorrect.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

“ way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements” - sounds like discrimination and should be illegal. meanwhile, people in their 40s are dealing with leetcode BS to get a reasonable position with that sort of compensation even though they have an extensive track record.

>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal

IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software shop".

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

What degree of purity is required to count as a European? Europeans can and do mix with non-europeans.

The 99% of white Americans for whom all ancestors were from Europe, are European.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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What degree of purity is required to count as a European? Europeans can and do mix with non-europeans.

The 99% of white Americans for whom all ancestors were from Europe, are European.

> The 99% of white Americans for whom all ancestors were from Europe, are European.

“White Americans” average a little under 99% Eurooean ancestry, but far fewer than 99% have exclusively European ancestry.

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