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The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Maybe we should stop using water for agriculture in Cali?

5% of the water in California is for urban use[1]. It always drove me up the wall when the state issued rules reducing water usage for people when they give plenty of water to all the farms ... IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT ...

[1] https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

There's plenty of water for the cities, just not the agriculture. It's part of the reason people are buying up farm land.

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Well, those photos of Lake Mead are terrifying. Maybe severe water shortages this summer will wake people up that climate change isn't some liberal fetish.

> climate change isn't some liberal fetish It's not and I'm pretty sure most people agree. But the activists are focusing their efforts in all the wrong places. We have Extinction Rebellion extremists gluing themselves to electric trains in London. Electric. In the mean while, the likes of China and India are by far the biggest culprits while Africa is projected to quadruple it's population while rapidly industrializ…

I agree with your final point, but China resource usage is partially attributable to American consumption. We can’t export all our manufacturing to other countries and then point at them for causing climate change.

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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For anyone interested in what this may look like, I highly recommend the book “The Water Knife”.

It focuses on the water rights disputes of a future dystopian US where states fight proxy wars with each other to secure access to water. It’s set in Los Vegas and Arizona as they are coping with a refugee crisis of Floridians and Texans fleeing the impact of climate change.

The author Paola Bacigalupi also wrote “The Windup Girl” set in a post pandemic Bangkok where calories have become the primary currency.

Truly excellent hard sci fi set in the near future.

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Maybe we should stop using water for agriculture in Cali? 5% of the water in California is for urban use[1]. It always drove me up the wall when the state issued rules reducing water usage for people when they give plenty of water to all the farms ... IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT ... [1] https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ There's plenty of water for the cities, just not the agriculture. It's part…

Well, something like 1/3rd of all the vegetables and 2/3rds of all the fruit in the US is grown in California. Where do you propose this gets grown instead?

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Maybe we should stop using water for agriculture in Cali? 5% of the water in California is for urban use[1]. It always drove me up the wall when the state issued rules reducing water usage for people when they give plenty of water to all the farms ... IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT ... [1] https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ There's plenty of water for the cities, just not the agriculture. It's part…

That's not the whole story because when you water a farm much of it goes back into the ground or evaporates into clouds. When you flush the toilet it gets treated then sent to the ocean.

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Yet Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix) had more growth from 2010 to 2019 than any other county in the U.S.[0] Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas) wasn't far behind. [0] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/pop-esti...

Arizona today is using less water now than it did in the 50s, despite that massive increase in population. There's hope that by the end of the decade it will be entirely groundwater neutral. The population is not really the issue, especially given that domestic usage isn't anywhere close to the largest consumer.

Re: The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly

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Maybe we should stop using water for agriculture in Cali? 5% of the water in California is for urban use[1]. It always drove me up the wall when the state issued rules reducing water usage for people when they give plenty of water to all the farms ... IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT ... [1] https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ There's plenty of water for the cities, just not the agriculture. It's part…

Well, something like 1/3rd of all the vegetables and 2/3rds of all the fruit in the US is grown in California. Where do you propose this gets grown instead?

There's plenty of rain-safe farmland available in the Northeast. A good amount has reverted to forest because the terrain is easier farther out west, but the rains are failing there. We'll see it reactivated.
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