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America, Stop Moving West

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Re: America, Stop Moving West

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> For the climate-friendly but less glamorous northern cities like Albany, Worcester, and Pittsburg, a successful marketing campaign could make them the climate-proof cities of the future.

Putting aside any of the climate change arguments, suggesting that successful marketing could make Albany a “city of the future” is absurd. I don’t know what you would have to pay me to be willing to live in Albany, ever, let alone during the winter — but it would be a lot. Like, at least $1.5m a year. And even then, I’m going to be taking many bad for the environment flights to NYC or a more desirable western city as often as possible. I abhor the Midwest (although Chicago, Boulder, and Denver are some exceptions), but if I’m going to have to live in a shithole, I’d rather be in Michigan or Minnesota or even Indiana before I would live in Albany.

The article also seems to ignore non-coastal western and southern cities that aren’t as deeply impacted by climate change. Yeah, Phoenix and Las Vegas might be fucked, but Denver? Salt Lake City?

It says “don’t move west,” but also mentions Seattle, NYC, and Boston and places that need to still concentrate on affordable housing to be attractive — which as a person who has lived in NYC and Seattle, I can tell you housing/rent hasn’t been affordable in NYC compared to the rest of the world in decades and Seattle is getting less and less affordable (I pay more in rent than all but one of my NYC friends and her mortgage is a monthly figure that would make even most New Yorkers choke), housing isn’t affordable because it doesn’t have to be.

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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A lot of hot air:

People move to these cities because of PR and marketing? It seems like it is the author who is divorced from reality. Is there study on marketing dollar to population growth? Do mega cluster exists because of superior marketing?

A more convincing argument would be that policy attracts talent and business, and locations with bad weather is more likely to have better policy.

That and serendipity - Michael Dell and William Shockley come to mind

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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Having moved from Boston to California — I’m never going to miss frozen hair, chipping ice off the sidewalk, and going for walks in shopping malls.

Right, like, suggesting people move to Albany or Pittsburg or Worcester, without mentioning that the winters are incredibly tough and that colder climates are another aspect of global warming, strikes me as incredibly naive.

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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> How did we become so divorced from reality? Before criticizing those seeking a better life in questionable directions first ask why are they motivated to do so in the first place? This pattern predates COVID, what is the problem in the North East that is causing people to move south west? Answer that and you might have a clue as to why the migration is happening and what to do about it.

Right...and isn't the reality that a country as rich as America can afford to have people live in places which aren't directly compatible with life?

Power and water seem to be the most important aspects regarding quality of life. I'm not worried about power because the southwest has tons of solar power available. And I'm not worried about water in the southwest because, yes, the Colorado river is oversubscribed, but only about 10-15% of it is used for residential use. The bulk of it goes to agricultural uses who are greatly underpaying for their water access and using it to grow ridiculous crops like cotton in Arizona. If there ever really was a crunch, those water rights would be obtained to let people drink and shower instead of to grow those crops (either through buying out, or just straight highway robbery).

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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You can move west without moving to a desert. I’m in San Diego for a bit. It’s been in the low 70’s and climate control consists of opening or closing the windows. Meanwhile back home in the midwest I’m trying to coordinate someone to be at my house while the HVAC folks replace the compressor in my heat pump. I was going to wait until we got back but the temps are getting so high we’re concerned our fish are going to…

San Diego (the city) barely escapes the semi-arid/arid designation, placing it slightly within the CSa / Mediterranean climate[0] designation. But it is surrounded by BSh areas (the Sonoran desert and California chaparral) - by area, I'd guess most of San Diego county is BSh. So unless you want to live right next to the coast (and can afford to), Southern California is mostly desert.

San Diego itself really does have an amazing climate though.

[0] See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classifica...

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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post #2

You can move west without moving to a desert. I’m in San Diego for a bit. It’s been in the low 70’s and climate control consists of opening or closing the windows. Meanwhile back home in the midwest I’m trying to coordinate someone to be at my house while the HVAC folks replace the compressor in my heat pump. I was going to wait until we got back but the temps are getting so high we’re concerned our fish are going to…

>You can move west without moving to a desert. is San Diego really different from LA water (or climate) wise?

The difference is that what people think of as LA includes a huge number of suburbs that push out quite far east into the desert. So if you are in Santa Monica or Malibu, the climate is very comparable to coastal San Diego. If you drive out on the 10 for a ways, its going to get brutally hot and arid quite fast.

Water-wise, San Diego also gets a lot of its water from the Colorado river, but it has a desalination plant as well. I'm not sure how much impact that has on the water situation there.

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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Having moved from Boston to California — I’m never going to miss frozen hair, chipping ice off the sidewalk, and going for walks in shopping malls.

The article repeatedly calls out Miami for being the hottest city in the country. I've never been to Miami, but it looks like averages in the 70s and 80s year-round. I'd take that any day over having to put up with the blizzards, shoveling snow off my driveway and car, etc. that I did in Omaha.

Re: America, Stop Moving West

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> For the climate-friendly but less glamorous northern cities like Albany, Worcester, and Pittsburg, a successful marketing campaign could make them the climate-proof cities of the future. Putting aside any of the climate change arguments, suggesting that successful marketing could make Albany a “city of the future” is absurd. I don’t know what you would have to pay me to be willing to live in Albany, ever, let alone…

> but if I’m going to have to live in a shithole, I’d rather be in Michigan or Minnesota

That's as crass as when the 45th president of the US described entire countries like that.

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