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World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The environmental impact of Bitcoin is positive, as Bitcoin allows us to use energy sources that are too remote or inaccessible to build cables to. For instance, waterfalls in remote locations. About transparency, it is the most transparent system, as all transactions are public. This is nothing but poor excuses.

Governments want to know identities, not wallet addresses.

Obviously, Bitcoin users want the opposite for the most part.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The environmental impact of Bitcoin is positive, as Bitcoin allows us to use energy sources that are too remote or inaccessible to build cables to. For instance, waterfalls in remote locations. About transparency, it is the most transparent system, as all transactions are public. This is nothing but poor excuses.

How does exploiting remote energy sources for Bitcoin have a positive environmental impact?

In the case of El Salvador, Bitcoin mining will be used to bootstrap geothermal.

Bitcoin can finance the energy generation and later transmission infrastructure can be added.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The world bank responding to such a request shows how big of a thing Bitcoin has become.

It also appears that the concerns are not strong, more wishy-washy comments that could be disputed or clarified eventually. Wonder what they say if/when more countries do inquiries and adopt Bitcoin.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The environmental impact of Bitcoin is positive, as Bitcoin allows us to use energy sources that are too remote or inaccessible to build cables to. For instance, waterfalls in remote locations. About transparency, it is the most transparent system, as all transactions are public. This is nothing but poor excuses.

I disagree with your transparency point. I see that a lot of Layer 2 solutions like Lighting started which basically can make it nontransparent like Monero.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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>"While the government did approach us for assistance on Bitcoin, this is not something the World Bank can support given the environmental and transparency shortcomings," they added. Environmental as the #1 concern? Bitcoin's enegery:market-cap ratio - a proxy for energy vs. value to humans - is >300x better than an airline & 60x better than JP Morgan & 20x better than google's. https://twitter.com/Okcoin/status/1403…

The absolute figures are bitcoin uses about the equivalent of Sweden’s energy consumption every year. Renewable energy isn’t free and should be replacing legacy sources, not being used to do pretend work. Environmental is a huge factor.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The environmental impact of Bitcoin is positive, as Bitcoin allows us to use energy sources that are too remote or inaccessible to build cables to. For instance, waterfalls in remote locations. About transparency, it is the most transparent system, as all transactions are public. This is nothing but poor excuses.

I disagree with your transparency point. I see that a lot of Layer 2 solutions like Lighting started which basically can make it nontransparent like Monero.

Lightning is anything but transparent. It requires trusted nodes to operate.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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>"While the government did approach us for assistance on Bitcoin, this is not something the World Bank can support given the environmental and transparency shortcomings," they added. Environmental as the #1 concern? Bitcoin's enegery:market-cap ratio - a proxy for energy vs. value to humans - is >300x better than an airline & 60x better than JP Morgan & 20x better than google's. https://twitter.com/Okcoin/status/1403…

> If the world bank were to assist in implementing bitcoin in El Salvador, their general technical & financial competence would be transparently on display. And I doubt this fact appeals to them.

Having worked for a similar international government type organisation before, this would mean:

1) Hiring someone like IBM to implement the project, who would charge roughly 10x per man hour what they would have to pay for an internal team to do it, as well as licensing fees for various IBMs products that they don't really need.

2) IBM would find a group of junior level developers to build it, who would work about as well as you would expect given the constantly changing requirements dictated by a comittee who can barely spell blockchain.

3) After an overrun of 6-12 months the project would be scrapped, and whichever C-level manager who was incharge of it at IMF would be able blame IBM.

4) Said manager would then be able to take this experience and find a similar level position in private industry, paying 10x what he was on before. He'd celebrate his new job, by playing a round of golf with his IBM buddies.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does exploiting remote energy sources for Bitcoin have a positive environmental impact?

In the case of El Salvador, Bitcoin mining will be used to bootstrap geothermal. Bitcoin can finance the energy generation and later transmission infrastructure can be added.

Ok, but geothermal energy creates pollution. It's considered a cleaner alternative to tradition energy sources insofar as it replaces existing energy demands, not when the demand is being created ad hoc.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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They cite environmental and transparency concerns, but somehow I believe it's more about control and ensuring the continuation of the debt based fiat systems.

I have a litmus test I use when discussing global financial politics with friends - "What were the main factors you think lead to Ghaddafi's killing?"

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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The US uses the dollar as a weapon and it controls the world bank. So it makes sense that they won't help to de-dollarize the world.

Not so far from the truth, in the sense that global financial institutions are being used for political purposes (e.g.: implementing sanctions, freezing assets, seizing assets, controlling money supply)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Worldwide_Interban...

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