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Re: Own Your Identity

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Post by robryan »

kefs wrote: post #5

http://www.kevinrose.com/ should read this.

That is almost a counter example though, he has 32000 people in circles while g+ is still quiet limited. If g+ was to go away he could easily redirect the domain and build his core following back up fairly quickly.

This of course is a lot different for say a company that has worked very hard building up something like a Facebook following that while susceptible to marketing messages aren't likely to go out of their way to follow the company to whatever online presences they create.

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Post by mmaunder »

I wonder if TLD's will ever be perceived as government lock-in e.g. bit.ly, ow.ly, 3.ly are at the whims of Libya and yourname.com is subject to US legislation and enforcement. Great post and 100% agree.

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

Fargren wrote: post #4

Going on a tangent, but hotmail is really good nowadays. My non-serious-mail-from-friends account is on hotmail, and it's as good as gmail, a bit better in some stuff and a bit worse in others.

Perhaps hotmail is fine. but to be honest, coming from the AIM generation, the biggest gmail pull for me is the fact that all my previous aim buddies are now on google chat. You might be able to tell me to move on, but i still love just siting down and doing the old "what are u doing, what are u doing" checking of statuses, that I grew up doing every day in high school and college... yeah FB and twitter took some of that, but I tend to have smaller, tighter circles of friends, and g-chat is still one of the best ways I keep up with close friends (fb and twitter are more "aquantiences" than friends u could say) now scattered all over the globe. And they are all there. game. set. match. google.

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Post by ctide »

Fargren wrote: post #4

Going on a tangent, but hotmail is really good nowadays. My non-serious-mail-from-friends account is on hotmail, and it's as good as gmail, a bit better in some stuff and a bit worse in others.

I still have a hotmail account that I check periodically, and while it may be ok in IE, it's a terrible experience in Chrome. All the AJAX interface is really slow to the point where you can easily end up deleting messages that aren't even the message that you're currently viewing. I have no idea how it is in Firefox, but, I don't care enough about my Hotmail account to bother using a different browser for it.

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Post by VengefulCynic »

starnix17 wrote: post #6
BrianBerk wrote: post #2

As he mentions in the post, this is from one of the creators of Tumblr, who's elevator pitch at this point is "a social network that gives users control of their identity". It is one of the easiest ways for someone to practice what he's preaching. Still, the people who are converting everything over to Google+ aren't crazy (well, they are a little bit, no search and no RSS is kinda a big deal). The design of G+, part…

Also worth noting, he's no longer using Tumblr for Marco.org: http://www.marco.org/secondcrack

And, as discussed in his podcast - Build and Analyze http://5by5.tv/buildanalyze/18 (ep. 18), this has nothing to do with Marco developing a sudden aversion to Tumblr and everything to do with his desire to be able to roll his own CMS as he has been doing since far before that CMS turned into Tumblr.

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Post by pyre »

Fargren wrote: post #4

Going on a tangent, but hotmail is really good nowadays. My non-serious-mail-from-friends account is on hotmail, and it's as good as gmail, a bit better in some stuff and a bit worse in others.

But from a data portability standpoint:

+ Your contacts are easily exportable

- Non-webmail access: exchange-push protocol for smart phones, POP3 (aka Inbox-only), Outlook/OutlookExpress-only access (using, I presume, private APIs).

- If you decide to move your identity off of hotmail, you can't disable spam filtering, which combined with basically POP3-only access means you are forced to login to check you spam folder. At least with Gmail/GoogleApps you can use IMAP to automatically check/sync your spam folder, even though you can't turn off the filtering. The only plus here is that you can dial down the spam filter slightly, which you can't do on Google.

- Since access is POP3 only, the only way to export all of your email is to move all of it into your Inbox and pull it down (or alternate between moving a folder in and pulling it down, then sorting it on the other end back into folders).

Re: Own Your Identity

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Post by zobzu »

sixtofour wrote: post #10
zobzu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately having a domain is not enough you have to be on twitter maybe youll have to be on g+ sometime soon too then you dont own it anymore additionally, ive always worried about the fact that the dns registar generally own your dns and just let you use it for a fee.

Yes, for some reason we say we "own" our domains, but I always seem to have to renew my lease.

its funny that i get minus karma for this post lol. but yeah id prefer some decentralized dns system where i would own my domain somehow

well then again, dns depends also on static ips which we dont really own. with ipv6 we can be one step closer to owning the ip without being an isp however. can also setup rdns more easily.

Re: Own Your Identity

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Post by qq66 »

mmaunder wrote: post #12

I wonder if TLD's will ever be perceived as government lock-in e.g. bit.ly, ow.ly, 3.ly are at the whims of Libya and yourname.com is subject to US legislation and enforcement. Great post and 100% agree.

Unfortuantely, we are all very vulnerable to malfeasance by governments, especially our own. Governments have done far worse things to their citizens than revoke their domains.

Re: Own Your Identity

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Post by pyre »

sixtofour wrote: post #10
zobzu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately having a domain is not enough you have to be on twitter maybe youll have to be on g+ sometime soon too then you dont own it anymore additionally, ive always worried about the fact that the dns registar generally own your dns and just let you use it for a fee.

Yes, for some reason we say we "own" our domains, but I always seem to have to renew my lease.

True, but you're not paying Google for your @gmail.com address, so you have less say, than if you are a paying customer.

Re: Own Your Identity

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Post by Fargren »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #13
Fargren wrote: post #4

Going on a tangent, but hotmail is really good nowadays. My non-serious-mail-from-friends account is on hotmail, and it's as good as gmail, a bit better in some stuff and a bit worse in others.

Perhaps hotmail is fine. but to be honest, coming from the AIM generation, the biggest gmail pull for me is the fact that all my previous aim buddies are now on google chat. You might be able to tell me to move on, but i still love just siting down and doing the old "what are u doing, what are u doing" checking of statuses, that I grew up doing every day in high school and college... yeah FB and twitter took some of…

Well, I live in Argentina and here the default chat application is MSN. Since MSN from hotmail's page works exactly as good as gtalk from gmail, the reason you us gmail is aprt of the reason I use hotmail.
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