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How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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I don't understand this: "Much of Epictetus’ advice is about not getting angry at slaves. At first, I thought I could skip those parts. But I soon realized that I had the same self-recriminatory and illogical thoughts in my interactions with small-business owners and service professionals. When a cabdriver lied about a route, or a shopkeeper shortchanged me, I felt that it was my fault, for speaking Turkish with an a…

My dad lived in a small town in India for most of his life.

When I come across stoicism and read about it, I realized he has been living like a stoic his whole life. His way of approaching life is so aligned with the concept. And yet he has never read or heard about Epicteus.

I have been reading a lot of books about philosophy lately, but I realise the most you can learn is from people around you.

The books are often contradictory. In the exact same situation, a book titled why zebras don't get ulcers, the author claims venting out is much healthier to reduce stress. There was a study done which indicated people who vent out on the spot are less likely to be stressful (less stress harmone).

Observing how others deal with situations and picking the best out of them works out well for me.

When I come across a friend who managing a heated argument and is calm after ward, I try to learn from him. Understand why he is able to do so.

Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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Stoicism seems to be the in vogue philosophy for software developers insecure about their impact or non-impact on the world. An escapist ideology at its core that usually leads people to er the stock market.

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Being stoic is overrated. Much prefer when we actually talk about ideas and don't just sit there mysteriously.

That's not what stoicism is at all.

Be sure to use capital S when talking about the philosophy. The dictionary definition and the philosophy seem to be not actually related, inversely related in many places in fact

Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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Is it just me or is stoicism been heavily commercialised over the last few years, along with vipassana meditation. There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting employees to live healthier and more resilient lives, but the skeptic in me thinks that there may be other motives.

Not just you, there's definitely been some sort of hook to stoicism that I've seen at a few different levels.

"what's in your control and what's not?"

Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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Is it just me or is stoicism been heavily commercialised over the last few years, along with vipassana meditation. There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting employees to live healthier and more resilient lives, but the skeptic in me thinks that there may be other motives.

It has. People have rediscovered its importance and some have decided there was an opportunity to cash on it. Like anything else that has some success, it attracts some opportunists.

It shouldn't detract anyone from looking at stoicism though. You can get everything you need from it for free, although a few books and helping the Patreon of a few philosophers who work on making it accessible is still a worthy cause to spend some money on.

Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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Stoicism always reminds me of the Disillusioned Sensible Man from CS Lewis’ Mere Christianity:

> (2) The Way of the Disillusioned "Sensible Man."—He soon decides that the whole thing was moonshine. "Of course," he says, "one feels like that when one's young. But by the time you get to my age you've given up chasing the rainbow's end." And so he settles down and learns not to expect too much and represses the part of himself which used, as he would say, "to cry for the moon." This is, of course, a much better way than the first, and makes a man much happier, and less of a nuisance to society. It tends to make him a prig (he is apt to be rather superior towards what he calls "adolescents"), but, on the whole, he rubs along fairly comfortably.

>It would be the best line we could take if man did not live for ever. But supposing infinite happiness really is there, waiting for us? Supposing one really can reach the rainbow's end? In that case it would be a pity to find out too late (a moment after death) that by our supposed "common sense" we had stifled in ourselves the faculty of enjoying it.

Re: How to Be a Stoic (2016)

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I don't understand this: "Much of Epictetus’ advice is about not getting angry at slaves. At first, I thought I could skip those parts. But I soon realized that I had the same self-recriminatory and illogical thoughts in my interactions with small-business owners and service professionals. When a cabdriver lied about a route, or a shopkeeper shortchanged me, I felt that it was my fault, for speaking Turkish with an a…

My dad lived in a small town in India for most of his life. When I come across stoicism and read about it, I realized he has been living like a stoic his whole life. His way of approaching life is so aligned with the concept. And yet he has never read or heard about Epicteus. I have been reading a lot of books about philosophy lately, but I realise the most you can learn is from people around you. The books are often…

I think a thing to consider is also the effect your actions have at others. E.g. venting in front of others who can do nothing to change the thing that made you angry can also negatively impact their day. Granted — if one is the type who has no sense of how one impacts the people around oneself this is not a metric this type of person would consider. But it exists and there are people who are unhappy their whole life without realizing how much of it is the fallout of the effects they have on their environment.
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