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$1 of every $5 in US wallets in 2010 came from programs like unemployment & SS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the article is talking about income. The current HN title is wrong. According to the linked article: "Close to $2 of every $10 that went into Americans’ wallets last year were payments like jobless benefits, food stamps, Social Security and disability, according to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics." I do wonder what the figure would be for actual assets. Surely much lower than 20%, but I guess that would be…

I tried to use: Close to $2 of every $10 that went into Americans’ wallets last year were payments like jobless benefits, food stamps, Social Security and disability But it was still way too long, so I had edit the title down to fit it in.

I don't know, maybe "20% of 2010 U.S. income came from..."?

I don't have editing powers, though.

Re: $1 of every $5 in US wallets in 2010 came from programs like unemployment & SS

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With a growing poor population via the influx of immigrants getting out of our financial crisis will be an even slower process. This population is the 2nd largest and the fastest growing. They currently have minimal buying power. Case in point go to your local state park and witness America's future. The face of America in 30 to 50 years and the language we speak will be remarkably different. Im sure this will be dow…

as a population

Racism is a form of collectivism, and that phrase is indisputably collectivist: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html

I agree that America should be a melting pot once again, but if you're going to champion American culture consistently, you must wipe collectivist ideas from your mind. We are all individuals, independent from one another, and we must be judged and thought of individually.

Edit: to those that voted this down, why?

Re: $1 of every $5 in US wallets in 2010 came from programs like unemployment & SS

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With a growing poor population via the influx of immigrants getting out of our financial crisis will be an even slower process. This population is the 2nd largest and the fastest growing. They currently have minimal buying power. Case in point go to your local state park and witness America's future. The face of America in 30 to 50 years and the language we speak will be remarkably different. Im sure this will be dow…

http://boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2007/11/25/the_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

Re: $1 of every $5 in US wallets in 2010 came from programs like unemployment & SS

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Well as I said when Northern Rock collapsed, the best financial stimulus would be to refund everyone the income tax they paid for the last 12 months.

What exactly does that do for the people who've been out of work? 100% rebate on 0 is still 0, right? Not to make a political statement out of things but you're saying you'd prefer they didn't get their unemployment, giving that money back to me and you as tax rebates instead? Trying to see how your suggestion is relevant to the article.

In this scenario, anyone who'd just lost their job would have a lump sum of 40% of their previous salary, plus whatever entitlements they had for unemployment. Anyone still in a job would have that cash to either pay down their debts or to spend on goods and services that would sustain/create more jobs. It's a win/win scenario.

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What exactly does that do for the people who've been out of work? 100% rebate on 0 is still 0, right? Not to make a political statement out of things but you're saying you'd prefer they didn't get their unemployment, giving that money back to me and you as tax rebates instead? Trying to see how your suggestion is relevant to the article.

In this scenario, anyone who'd just lost their job would have a lump sum of 40% of their previous salary, plus whatever entitlements they had for unemployment. Anyone still in a job would have that cash to either pay down their debts or to spend on goods and services that would sustain/create more jobs. It's a win/win scenario.

So, cut taxes while increasing benefits?

You should run for Congress :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly does that do for the people who've been out of work? 100% rebate on 0 is still 0, right? Not to make a political statement out of things but you're saying you'd prefer they didn't get their unemployment, giving that money back to me and you as tax rebates instead? Trying to see how your suggestion is relevant to the article.

In this scenario, anyone who'd just lost their job would have a lump sum of 40% of their previous salary, plus whatever entitlements they had for unemployment. Anyone still in a job would have that cash to either pay down their debts or to spend on goods and services that would sustain/create more jobs. It's a win/win scenario.

Sounds like a fine idea to me, but not very stimulative. More money would be returned to high income individuals who are more likely to hold onto the extra cash.

I'd personally rather it go to infrastructure projects -- faster cheaper internet access, high speed rail, space elevators ;) -- and basic research.

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With a growing poor population via the influx of immigrants getting out of our financial crisis will be an even slower process. This population is the 2nd largest and the fastest growing. They currently have minimal buying power. Case in point go to your local state park and witness America's future. The face of America in 30 to 50 years and the language we speak will be remarkably different. Im sure this will be dow…

as a population Racism is a form of collectivism, and that phrase is indisputably collectivist: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html I agree that America should be a melting pot once again, but if you're going to champion American culture consistently, you must wipe collectivist ideas from your mind. We are all individuals, independent from one another, and we must be judged and thought of individually. Edit…

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God forbid anyone reduce a fraction!

The fraction reduction seems inflationary.

Reading this thread you'd think the difference between 20% and 19% is as great as life and death.

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With a growing poor population via the influx of immigrants getting out of our financial crisis will be an even slower process. This population is the 2nd largest and the fastest growing. They currently have minimal buying power. Case in point go to your local state park and witness America's future. The face of America in 30 to 50 years and the language we speak will be remarkably different. Im sure this will be dow…

http://boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2007/11/25/the_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

ha i dont see the demise of America just a swift cultural change. Again, Im for assimilation not a majority cultural change.

As noted I never considered myself to be racist but after going to state parks in and around PA and MD I guess I am in this regards - sad to say. I finally felt what it feels like to be culturally lost and feel like a minority in my own backyard.

I challenge anyone reading this that was born here and or assimilated into our culture to go to a state park. You have no similar feelings and if you do can you go against the politically correctness of HN to admit this publicly?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2007/11/25/the_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

ha i dont see the demise of America just a swift cultural change. Again, Im for assimilation not a majority cultural change. As noted I never considered myself to be racist but after going to state parks in and around PA and MD I guess I am in this regards - sad to say. I finally felt what it feels like to be culturally lost and feel like a minority in my own backyard. I challenge anyone reading this that was born he…

Should I apologize in advanced for immigrating to the US next year?
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