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Matrix has become the messaging app of choice for top-secret communications

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Re: Matrix has become the messaging app of choice for top-secret communications

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Wonder what people here think of signal. I find it more user friendly than matrix. Any info about it's security vs matrix?

What about Briar? https://briarproject.org/ Seems like it's decentralized and uses Tor natively.

There's also another obscure and less well known messaging app called CWTCH https://cwtch.im/ It's still in development though...

Re: Matrix has become the messaging app of choice for top-secret communications

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Wonder what people here think of signal. I find it more user friendly than matrix. Any info about it's security vs matrix?

My issue with Matrix is the philsophy attached to it. The founders and its most vitriolic supports are activists, through and through, and view Signal as a messaging app for activists. When the Cellebrite malware was added to Signal by the developer(s) I mentioned that Cellebrite was used by legitimate phone carriers to transfer data between an old phone and a new phone. I asked why my elderly mother, with whom I spe…

> My issue with Matrix is the philsophy attached to it.

Did you mean to say Signal here instead of Matrix?

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I'm amazed at how much PR matrix gets for an opensource project not supported by any company. Congratulations to all supporters

I'm pretty sure the developers of Element are sponsoring matrix and also running servers as business. So it's not entirely non profit, though it's definitely open source and there's no limited 'community edition' :)

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Wonder what people here think of signal. I find it more user friendly than matrix. Any info about it's security vs matrix?

What about Briar? https://briarproject.org/ Seems like it's decentralized and uses Tor natively.

I agree Briar always has seemed even more decentralized and security conscious than Matrix. I tried to use Briar with my family for awhile and it worked well but its always on function was a bit difficult on mobile (it seems like something that would be worthwhile for some circumstances but maybe not worth the cost for just chatting about groceries).

However, in reading the article, they discussed group communication functions in Matrix, which were absent from Briar for awhile.

They also mention that Matrix is planing on introducing mesh networking, which is very similar to Briar. I found this extremely interesting. It seems like Briar and Matrix are sort of coming full circle to each other. I'd love to see either or both take off.

Re: Matrix has become the messaging app of choice for top-secret communications

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I'm amazed at how much PR matrix gets for an opensource project not supported by any company. Congratulations to all supporters

Eh? Matrix is heavily supported by Element (nee Vector), which operates development on the workhorse "home server" implementation, Synapse, and its hoped-to-be successor, Dendrite, and operates a business providing cloudy private homeservers.

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Wonder what people here think of signal. I find it more user friendly than matrix. Any info about it's security vs matrix?

Signal as a network is controlled by a single individual, or small staff of individuals. There is a central server. Also there is no way to use signal anonymously.

It is useful for talking to people you know in real life, but that's it.

As to the user friendliness, I find more infuriating bugs (and "features") with signal these days, although that was not always the case. For example, if history is not restored on launch it is lost forever, this is a problem if you're e.g. going to a privacy hostile nation and need your history clean for the trio but want to restore it when you get back. Another particularly heinous violation is that the signal app has code in it that slows it's functionality if the version is out of date, pressuring you to update.

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Top secret communications by people that register at matrix.org that uses Google`s recaptcha that collect their IPs? Strange, as Google and privacy have nothing in common.

Recaptcha/Google's pervasiveness on the internet is one of the most annoying things I repeatedly have to deal with. It's easy enough to block all google servers at the hosts level. But then you have lazy developers for government websites using it and need to enable them. They've just wound themselves so tightly into the internet it's near impossible to exist without interacting with their services.

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Wonder what people here think of signal. I find it more user friendly than matrix. Any info about it's security vs matrix?

Signal is Moxie and I personally don't trust Moxie and have some issues with his attitude. Does this make signal unsafe, no of course not but I don't trust it even if the encryption is top notch. Also remember you must have a phone number to use signal.

What specifically caused this distrust?

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Top secret communications by people that register at matrix.org that uses Google`s recaptcha that collect their IPs? Strange, as Google and privacy have nothing in common.

Matrix is decentralized, you don't have to use a server that connects to Google services.
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