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As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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I think this correlation is related to causation. I think there are registers in people's minds that are simply occupied. Addicts occupy their predisposition to addiction with a single or ever changing way of neglecting their responsibilities and relationships and health, based on simple earliest exposure. Susceptible people occupy their predisposition to susceptibility with religion or fervent ideology, the "choice"…

Reducing the actions of people to objects or "simpler organisms" is rarely a helpful concept. Often people are much more complicated than our reductions of them.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

#13
Well…yeah!

Religion serves a function. Even if that function is psychological.

When you take religion away, something else will fill the utility-gap.

Silly humans failing to grasp the purpose of stories/narratives.

Edit for the downvoters (who clearly don’t understand): the question “Why do science and philosophy matter?” has only religious/ideological answers.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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>Immigrants to America tend to become American; emigrants to other countries from America tend to stay American. Is that true, or just the authors' speculation? Although it is easily explained. Everyone wants to be American because the USA, of all the countries in the world offers the greatest opportunities to the greatest number of people. They are the top of the food chain, in less nationalistic terms. (i'm not Ame…

That isn't true if you mean in terms of achieving the classic American dream… Canada, Germany, the Netherlands and others are moving more people out of lower/middle class to middle/upper class as a percentage. I do not know in terms of raw numbers but via % we are behind.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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People feel the urge to label some one, group, or idea, as bad. I get around this by accepting that I am bad. It helps me see the best in everyone else, and makes me hold myself to really high standards. It is sometimes unpleasant though.

It's probably some sort of natural calibration process.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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I think this correlation is related to causation. I think there are registers in people's minds that are simply occupied. Addicts occupy their predisposition to addiction with a single or ever changing way of neglecting their responsibilities and relationships and health, based on simple earliest exposure. Susceptible people occupy their predisposition to susceptibility with religion or fervent ideology, the "choice"…

> I think there are registers in people's minds that are simply occupied.

I think this is the case, anecdotally I noticed that if you are a sports fan, then the "us versus them" rhetoric works much less, or at least less than you'd expect in such people.

At least for domestic politics, that's because you already get your dose of "us versus them" from some other domain in your life.

Same for religion which is the main topic covered in the article:

People who are religious are less likely to fall prey of cults.

Religious people are less likely to elevate "false prophets" such as actors, musicians, rockstars and also the new phenomenon represented by technoutopian cult leaders such as Elon Musk or Elizabeth Holmes.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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I think this correlation is related to causation. I think there are registers in people's minds that are simply occupied. Addicts occupy their predisposition to addiction with a single or ever changing way of neglecting their responsibilities and relationships and health, based on simple earliest exposure. Susceptible people occupy their predisposition to susceptibility with religion or fervent ideology, the "choice"…

What a condescending and misanthropic view of people. So we're just paramecia with "registers" waiting for occupation.

As with anything, I think the real answer is much more nuanced.

1) This article is making the case that this behavior is universal, when there is no evidence of that. As always has been, there are subsects of any ideology that are ravenous in their dogma. They are always the loudest and get the most attention, because their actions are so extreme. It's selection bias by the media, who (wouldn't you know it) are the same folks making the assertion that political religiosity has supplanted deified religiosity.

2) If there's something resembling a "trend" happening around peoples' emotional investment in politics, it's likely around the fact that politics is increasingly prodding itself into peoples' lives. At the very least, if I travel abroad, and we have a president like Trump, I look like a fucking idiot. That sucks. At the worst, I'm a woman or minority whose livelihood is negatively affected constantly by political footballing.

This has nothing to do with an absence of god, but everything to do with a real, quantifiable affect on peoples' lives. How can you expect people, secular or not, to put up with the state of social and political conversation as it exists today? If they're staunch conservatives, how can they put up with a clear wind blowing in the direction of socialism? If they're democrats, how can they put up with a clearly obstructionist and crooked counter party?

Reducing all of that to computer parlance and the most basic biologies undermines the real problems that people are dealing with.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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post #13

Well…yeah! Religion serves a function. Even if that function is psychological. When you take religion away, something else will fill the utility-gap. Silly humans failing to grasp the purpose of stories/narratives. Edit for the downvoters (who clearly don’t understand): the question “Why do science and philosophy matter?” has only religious/ideological answers.

Religion is about culture, belief and community. The fading of the mainstream religions is making room for the more fundamentalist, marketing driven religious practices that are often about money and politics.
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