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Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Really? To me it pretty plainly sounds like a term reserved for people who are dogmatic adorers. Zealots if you will. That's a very specific meaning, and not catch-all at all.

Use the term zealot then, or something even milder (like "supporter"). The problem with a term like fanboy in a serious discussion is that it is heavily derogatory, and derogatory terms typically shut down debate.

It doesn't seem any more negative than 'zealot' to me.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Let's say the average iPhone user makes $100,000 a year. That means the $599 iPhone is about 0.599% of that person's income. If they work 40 hours a week, out of a total of 168 hours in a week, that means they spent 0.143% of their year working to get the phone. But the person who designed the phone spent 100% of their working on the phone. So the average user spent less time on the phone, and they didn't design the…

Your analysis is silly. The iPhone is a status symbol, just like a BMW or Grey Goose. There are going to always be dumbasses identifying personally with these things in a vain search for self-esteem. In reality these people are a tiny minority with an age distribution skewing well under the age of full frontal-lobe development, but they make enough noise in forums that you'd think the fate of the world hinges on this…

Where you're wrong is in assuming this affliction is only with dumb people or a minority. We're status-seeking creatures, it affects us all. Of course to degrees, but it's not as if educated techies don't get into pointless flame wars all the time.

jrockway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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I feel that gadgets can be a proxy for people to feel superior to each other like with cars, sports teams, and purses. I don't know what people hope to get out of arguing about it other than entertainment perhaps.

Skillful marketing encourages people to define themselves by the things they buy. Apple in particular is very good at this.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Your analysis is silly. The iPhone is a status symbol, just like a BMW or Grey Goose. There are going to always be dumbasses identifying personally with these things in a vain search for self-esteem. In reality these people are a tiny minority with an age distribution skewing well under the age of full frontal-lobe development, but they make enough noise in forums that you'd think the fate of the world hinges on this…

Where you're wrong is in assuming this affliction is only with dumb people or a minority. We're status-seeking creatures, it affects us all. Of course to degrees, but it's not as if educated techies don't get into pointless flame wars all the time. jrockway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Dumbass doesn't necessarily mean dumb. Lord knows i've participated in my fair share of flame wars, but I've grown more resistant to it as I've aged.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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What I don't understand about fanbois is how most of them have no skin in the game. It's OK to argue passionately about the merits of iOS if you designed and implemented it. It's a little weird when all you've done is paid $599 for a phone that uses it. Define yourself by what you do, not what you've bought.

Stockholm Syndrome.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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I feel that gadgets can be a proxy for people to feel superior to each other like with cars, sports teams, and purses. I don't know what people hope to get out of arguing about it other than entertainment perhaps.

Skillful marketing encourages people to define themselves by the things they buy. Apple in particular is very good at this.

How does Apple encourage people to define themselves by the things they buy?

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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What I don't understand about fanbois is how most of them have no skin in the game. It's OK to argue passionately about the merits of iOS if you designed and implemented it. It's a little weird when all you've done is paid $599 for a phone that uses it. Define yourself by what you do, not what you've bought.

Is it OK to complain about something you didn't make, didn't pay for, and don't use?

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Skillful marketing encourages people to define themselves by the things they buy. Apple in particular is very good at this.

How does Apple encourage people to define themselves by the things they buy?

The "I'm a Mac" ads are probably the most glaringly obvious case. The iPod dancer ads are another example of marketing that revolves around selling an image and lifestyle. Everybody does this kind of thing, Apple just does it better than most.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Skillful marketing encourages people to define themselves by the things they buy. Apple in particular is very good at this.

How does Apple encourage people to define themselves by the things they buy?

The "I'm am Mac, I'm a PC" ads for example try to make people associate the computer you buy with your personality and lifestyle.

Re: Haters Gonna Hate: The Argument Against Fanboys

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Skillful marketing encourages people to define themselves by the things they buy. Apple in particular is very good at this.

How does Apple encourage people to define themselves by the things they buy?

In addition to the "I'm a Mac" campaign mentioned by others, a recent example would be the "If you don't have an iPhone..." campaign: http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads.html
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