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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Almost all of this could be achieved via third party apps if the screen time data was available via an API and background app mode. I understand why it's not though as it's a lot of personal data. However Apple does provide access to health data via the HealthKit so maybe they can do something similar for Screen time? Did they make any API changes in iOS 15 announced yesterday?

Yes, there is now a Screen Time API: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceActivity and it allows you to do things like block other apps: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/ManagedSettings, but there's nothing like a background mode that will pop up outside of either your app or the app you're managing.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#13
I really dig the "infinite scroll" part. I hate this "feature" from the bottom of my heart. I also like the "conditions" feature.

However, I'm not a fan of my device analyzing my behavior and bombarding me with notifications and questions every 15 minutes. To me, that's distracting and way too much noise. I like the way Screen Time already works. Leave the consequences to me, but give me an opportunity to check them.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#14
I like the idea behind a lot of these things, but it seems like a ton of overhead, both for software implementers and users. It seems kind of odd to claim these changes could be so profound when it seems like it's really only going to be useful for a superuser who's already aware of their screen time issues and would be excited to be able to choose from X toggle options. Additionally, "you are wasting time on your phone, do you want to lock your screen" seems like a feature that would fly with only a very limited set of users.

Instead of hooking in to Facebook and adding content settings, to me it seems that in this case the "we should increase data/platform interop" line of thought offers a better solution than hoping the Apple ship can steer in this direction.

For that matter, do we know how many people use screenttime tracking/mitigating features anyway?

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#16
Next thing I’d want my router to shut down the internet due to mindless browsing. Also shut it down when it’s too late…like 11pm sounds enough.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#17
About 70% of this could probably be implemented on Android today. Might be worthwhile to provide concrete data on the value of these ideas :)

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#18
I love this, but do we really think that Apple also isn't using engagement with your phone as an internal success metric? If people use apps less often, they are probably using less apps. If people use less apps, Apple's revenue drops.

Unlike Apple's attack on privacy which makes them a differentiator in the marketplace, only at the expense of others, I don't see what's in it for Apple to do this?

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#19

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

> I want control over what I do, not a random program deciding what I should do.

So ask the user once if they want to be reminded? You might not feel like social media is a toxic influence over your life but many people do.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#20

I love this, but do we really think that Apple also isn't using engagement with your phone as an internal success metric? If people use apps less often, they are probably using less apps. If people use less apps, Apple's revenue drops. Unlike Apple's attack on privacy which makes them a differentiator in the marketplace, only at the expense of others, I don't see what's in it for Apple to do this?

Apple still primarily makes money from hardware sales. They'd rather get you working out, buy an airpod pro, and subscribe to fitness+ than spend time on Facebook.
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