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Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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We usually have to pay for utilities, no? If Google search were a utility what would my search bill look like?

Not saying I agree with it but, per the article: "In lieu of a fee, Yost argues in the complaint, Google collects user data that is monetized primarily by selling targeted advertisements."

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Interesting approach, especially given that they don't seem to be concerned about having internet service providers declared public utilities.

especially given that they don't seem to be concerned about having internet service providers declared public utilities.

Which is why it will obviously fail at actually doing anything useful.

However, the intended purpose may not be so much to do anything useful, as it is to score some points for incumbent politicians. In that, it could succeed brilliantly. It's actually a very smart move if you consider the political benefits accrued to politicians.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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So Republicans have completely flipped on the sovereignity of private companies? Or is this just posturing to please the number one of the GOP (Dave Yost filed a “friend of the court” brief in support of invalidating 2020 votes in Pennsylvania)?

Every state that is not deep blue is not Alaska levels of red.

Ohio and much of the mid west is moderately red or moderately blue depending on the policies in question so you get middle of the road policy like this that isn't hard-line one way or the other but appeals to the tons of people on both sides of the isle who think big tech is f-ed up right now.

While this move might alienate people on the far right for being a violation of a business's right to freely associate and far left for failing to go far enough, it's kind of a no brainier if you want to appeal to people who want something done and don't care which side of the isle that something is from is as long as it's not too extreme. Big tech is getting out of control according to many on both sides and utilities are an existing legal framework for regulating big but essential consumer facing business.

I don't know exactly how the Ohio state government is formed but it's also highly likely that this is political maneuvering by the AG or the executive branch and they expect it go nowhere.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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So Republicans have completely flipped on the sovereignity of private companies? Or is this just posturing to please the number one of the GOP (Dave Yost filed a “friend of the court” brief in support of invalidating 2020 votes in Pennsylvania)?

You're expecting Republicans to be consistent libertarians? It seems to me that as practiced, the intersections between the two philosophies are rare and ephemeral and much more common in word than deed.

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So Republicans have completely flipped on the sovereignity of private companies? Or is this just posturing to please the number one of the GOP (Dave Yost filed a “friend of the court” brief in support of invalidating 2020 votes in Pennsylvania)?

Every state that is not deep blue is not Alaska levels of red. Ohio and much of the mid west is moderately red or moderately blue depending on the policies in question so you get middle of the road policy like this that isn't hard-line one way or the other but appeals to the tons of people on both sides of the isle who think big tech is f-ed up right now. While this move might alienate people on the far right for bei…

Ohio GOP have really ramped up their rhetoric in the last year or so, including their attacks on their own like the infighting with Dewine over how he handled the states response to covid.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Well, a public utility also doesn't have the right to do this: "You did something wrong, we won't tell you what it was, there's no chance of appeal, and you are now banned from receiving water service again, ever, for the rest of your life, no matter where you move. And don't try moving in with someone else who's still receiving service, because they'll get banned too."

I feel like this is becoming a thing with banks now, too.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Well, a public utility also doesn't have the right to do this: "You did something wrong, we won't tell you what it was, there's no chance of appeal, and you are now banned from receiving water service again, ever, for the rest of your life, no matter where you move. And don't try moving in with someone else who's still receiving service, because they'll get banned too."

Although I understand what you're saying, email and YouTube access is not the same as water. Depriving someone of water would be the same as depriving them of life, which is not true of email, YouTube, and whatever g-services.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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So Republicans have completely flipped on the sovereignity of private companies? Or is this just posturing to please the number one of the GOP (Dave Yost filed a “friend of the court” brief in support of invalidating 2020 votes in Pennsylvania)?

Republicans are a coalition party, just like the democrats are. It's really important to remember just how broad of a group those 2 parties cover. AOC said it correctly in Jan 2020[0]: "In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are."

So while there are free-enterprise republicans, there are also those that worry about how companies behave. At this point, there are D's and R's in Washington that agree on how big-tech should be treated (Josh Hawley and Elizabeth Warren for example[1]).

[0] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/alexandria-ocasio-c...

[1] https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/29/20932064/senator-josh-...

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