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How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Short answer: CA has been underbuilding housing for close to 50 years (https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/) and now has a severe housing shortage, to the point where a parodic response, like "California will try absolutely anything to reduce homelessness, except build more housing" (https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en...) is the only reasonable one.

I've worked on Prop HHH and other proposals designed to reduce homelessness in California: https://seliger.com/2017/08/30/l-digs-hole-slowly-economics-..., but none of them work, or can work, without making housing easier to build.

Edit to add: before someone mentions "mental illness" and "drugs" and other contributors to homelessness, yes those are real factors: that said, the lower the cost of housing, the easier it is for someone on the margin of being housed or being homeless to stay housed. The lower the cost, the easier it is for family, SSDI, Section 8, and other income supports to keep a person housed. As the cost of housing goes up, the number of people who fall from the margins of "housed" to "homeless" goes up with it. So yes, mental illness and drug abuse are factors, but they're factors exacerbated by housing costs. They're really red herrings relative to overall housing costs.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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In nice weather homelessness is bearable. But californian cities must provide basic sanitation facilities. And maybe some UBI for food, $1000/month should do.

About 3x the number of homeless individuals in New York (state) vs Florida despite roughly similar overall populations, and I don’t think it’s because of how nice or not the weather is in NY!

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I was once homeless in California, strung out on drugs and alcohol, unable to quit or even think about getting treatment for that and my bipolar disorder. It is my opinion that we need to go back to locking people up and forcing them into treatment for their own good. It is inhumane to leave helpless people out on the street because of some abstract concept of personal rights. I understand the motivation of mental he…

"California homeless are crazy" narrative is tiring and excuse. They are still people and need basic life necessities: toilet, shower and food. Periodic showers improve mental health, there are studies to prove it! After that is solved, we can focus on other issues. And frankly California invented drug culture, it glorifies drugs, why shame homeless?

If Jordan can accept 3 million people, so can California.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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When was "experiencing homelessness" term established as the norm? what's wrong with just "homeless"?

My guess is the phrasing is meant to de-emphasize the permanency of homelessness - a lot of working class people drift in and out of homelessness. In order to better the situation you need to have it properly understood and analyzed. I think the term "unhoused" had a similar goal but avoided the immediacy of "homeless" and was thus ineffective.

I don’t think this phrasing is the worst progressive “improvement” in language (that award goes to “Latinx”, seriously please stop using this), but it is kind of awkward and the standard is not applied evenly. We don’t say someone is “experiencing hunger”, we say they’re hungry, despite hunger typically being a temporary condition.

Edit: your point about the need to understand the background level of housing instability in less well off population is completely valid. I don’t think people understand the extent to which large portions of the working poor continually cycle through housing crises.

Edit 2: My broader point is that if you do consider educating people about the true facts/nature of homelessness in US cities, you should seriously question how much using the preferred progressive phrasing actually accomplishes that goal vs just making you sound elitist. Even under the most generous interpretation, there is nothing in the plain language of the phrase “experiencing X” as compared to the adjective form of X that even attempts confer any information as to whether X is a temporary or permanent condition. This is an an attempt to use language as a form of persuasion that does not even try to engage with the basic reality of how people are going to respond to that language. There are already predefined ways in English to denote temporary vs permanent, “chronic “ and “acute” would be appropriate in a scholarly context, “short-term”/“temporary” and “long-term”/“permanent” work perfectly fine in casual conversation.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Skid Row, Explained - Johnny Harris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKo8Sv99MkM

Evicted: Most Liberal Neighborhood Gives 300 Homeless COVID-19 Refugees the Bum's Rush https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=As17ZckrPVs

This Seattle homeless shelter is promoting rectal injections and free "heroin pipes," all paid for with tax dollars | Not the Bee https://notthebee.com/article/seattle-homeless-shelter-promo...

Project Veritas: Central OAC exec admits orgs register thousands of homeless to vote at same address in Fulton Co. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tArtYkILiHc

This LA Musician Built $1200 Tiny Houses for the Homeless. Then the City Seized Them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6h7fL22WCE

585,000 homeless U.S. CITIZENS are ignored while ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in New York will collect $15,000 food stamps, free housing, and a job.

Tom Cotton: New York’s Homeless Veterans Ineligible for $15.6K Payments to Illegal Aliens https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/11/tom-cotton-new...

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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I was once homeless in California, strung out on drugs and alcohol, unable to quit or even think about getting treatment for that and my bipolar disorder. It is my opinion that we need to go back to locking people up and forcing them into treatment for their own good. It is inhumane to leave helpless people out on the street because of some abstract concept of personal rights. I understand the motivation of mental he…

I'm not going to pretend I know a solution to this, but wasn't part of the reason it became hard to involuntarily commit people because it was being abused? Like, fathers were getting their daughters committed for being "too promiscuous"?

If that's a serious risk, I don't know that the "solution" to this problem by committing people is worth it.

That said, it's a hard problem. I know it's extremely hard for people without a yuppie income to get mental health treatment in the United States. I know before I got a high-paying desk job, I realized I had some form of manic depression, wanted treatment, but also could not afford to see a therapist because my health plan did not cover mental healthcare and my job didn't pay particularly well. It became this chicken-egg problem: it was hard to find a better job because of the depressive episodes, but I couldn't treat them without getting a better job. I can only imagine that stuff like schizophrenia and drug addiction (which I luckily have not suffered from) is exponentially more difficult to deal with.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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There are three kinds of people experiencing homelessness in SF:

Drug addicts, who settle in the Bay Area because it is Paradise On Earth for drug addiction. Drugs are cheap and plentiful. Dealers transact unmolested in broad daylight in front of apathetic cops. Needles are provided by the government free of charge. Tents can be pitched on just about any sidewalk. Drug use does not even need to be discreet -- anyone who walks in SF for more than a few hours will run across someone injecting or freebasing. It's not just the Tenderloin either.

The mentally ill, who cannot take advantage of services that exist to help them. There are individuals who are so out of it, so schizophrenic etc., that the only way they will ever be helped is if someone physically forces them into an institution. And can you imagine the response of SF constituents if such a policy was enacted? Totally impossible. One cell phone video of a capture gone wrong and it's over.

And lastly, there are tons of people who are 100% content with living on the streets by choice. There have always been transients in society who adopt this lifestyle, in every era of history. It's basically urban camping! No job, no responsibilities. It's a beautiful place with amazing weather. If all of Earth could easily navigate to the Bay Area, you could fill this city to the brim with people who'd "hobo" it by choice.

There MUST be a fourth type. The person who is on the street due to financial misfortune, who had horrible luck and found themselves in a spot they couldn't get out of. Statistically this has to exist. And we need to make sure those people get a ladder somehow to climb themselves out. Absolutely.

But to pretend that this fourth type is all that exists? Or that it's the majority?

Not even close.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Short answer: CA has been underbuilding housing for close to 50 years ( https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ ) and now has a severe housing shortage, to the point where a parodic response, like "California will try absolutely anything to reduce homelessness, except build more housing" ( https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en... ) is the only reasonable one. I've worked on Prop HHH and o…

And yet we also have a massive under-occupancy in some areas of LA cough Venice Beach cough Mar Vista cough where a lot of homes are owned by corporations for occasional use by traveling employees, people in other countries parking finances here, or people who AirBnB them for 180 days/year.

In one block where I was working in Mar Vista, four older homes have been knocked down to build McMansions in the past year. All four are owned by LLCs, and all four are vacant.

As for homelessness, we could solve a significant chunk of the problem by having decent healthcare/insurance available to people. I know two people - who had insurance - who ended up losing their houses due to healthcare expenses.

Of course, the above personal experience should be tagged as "anecdotal" not "evidential."

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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post #10

In nice weather homelessness is bearable. But californian cities must provide basic sanitation facilities. And maybe some UBI for food, $1000/month should do.

No, California needs to treat it like the medical health crisis it is. If a 8 year old kid is on the streets, we don't focus on how to make it nicer to live on the street for them, we put them in long term care (foster care). It's immoral what California is doing for many of these people who either have debilitating mental illness or have fallen deep into drug use. It's time to reopen the asylums, run them properly,…

So homeless guy should go to job interviews, and visit shrinks, but without taking showers. This is just fascism.

It is medical health crisis because there are no basic facilities. It is not "making it nicer", but stoping deadly diseases. Look how Bangladesh builds refugee camps! California has 1000x more resources!

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