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Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by vimacs2 »

louis___ wrote: post #8
antibuddy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand the incentive for people to innovate and make it accessible to anyone is often money. The criticism of capitalism is warranted, however the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation.

This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community. > the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation For me this is as much a myth as the good old "the wealth trickles down from the rich to the poor"

Not only is it a myth but also incredibly arrogant, as if the ten thousand years of advancements and innovation by humanity since the dawn of civilisation prior to the development of capitalism in Italian city states never happened.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by zwirbl »

Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

It should, but will it? The magically all-mighty market does not fix all problems without intervention

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by nspattak »

Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

This is an oversimplification that overlooks at automotive engineering history (if not history in general). Are there 2T engines or Wankel engines available for people to choose?

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by patrickmclaren »

Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

Can you expand on how this would come to be, in practice?

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by mhb »

sackerhews wrote: post #6

Making something that only you can repair can be quite a lucrative business. This documentary is quite interesting: McDonalds Ice Cream Machines Are Always Broken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDEtSlqJC4

Or maybe not. Extensive discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26936774

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by petewailes »

Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't live in a farming community...

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

Pleasse stop rehashing free market platitudes without any thinking.

Look at the actual manufacturers, realise that noone is producing simple tractors any more, where are they going to come from?

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by w3news »

My dad is also a farmer, and im impressed about the large range of knowlegde of all farmers, from nature to mechanic. I think this problem is already for a long time, and there are many farmers that dont buy new tractors anymore for this reason, that they cannot repair the tractor anymore, and it can cost a lot of money because they cannot harvest, and are waiting for the tractor dealer.

But i think the same problem is for cars, you cannot e.g. repair your Tesla everywhere, this is also very closed.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by vbezhenar »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #17
Glavnokoman wrote: post #10

In the end market should take of this. If repairability is a major concern for the farmers they would just eventually buy the tractors with less of a high-tech bells and whistles. And also cheaper I guess.

Pleasse stop rehashing free market platitudes without any thinking. Look at the actual manufacturers, realise that noone is producing simple tractors any more, where are they going to come from?

Belarus produces simple and cheap tractors since forever, they are popular in Russia and other CIS countries. Just import them.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by antibuddy »

louis___ wrote: post #8
antibuddy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand the incentive for people to innovate and make it accessible to anyone is often money. The criticism of capitalism is warranted, however the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation.

This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community. > the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation For me this is as much a myth as the good old "the wealth trickles down from the rich to the poor"

Tell me what system without the capitalist IP system actually innovated faster/better. I only find a lot of failed attempts.

Maybe monetary incentives are important for innovation. And I don't think it's perfect at all, but abolishing it also seems a bit rich.

> Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community.

What does that proof? You can't pretend that this would work universally.

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