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Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by jraph » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:14 AM UTC

bjourne wrote: post #8

07121941 wrote: post #2

Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and COVID-19 vaccination in young men One in 3000 Thoughts?

Quote for context: > The COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to put young men at elevated risk of developing a heart muscle inflammation called myocarditis, researchers in Israel say. In a report submitted today to the Israeli Ministry of Health, they conclude that between one in 3000 and one in 6000 men ages 16 to 24 who received the vaccine developed the rare condition. But most cases were mild and…

it could still be worth it, if it only causes mild heart inflammation that vanishes in a few weeks if it prevents catching a non fatal Covid that may cause a few weeks of pain and have long term effects.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by sebmellen » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 7:27 AM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #4

I just took my mother-in-law off of life support last night, after her medical team confirmed she was brain dead. This was after about 10 days of trying to save her after a sudden cardiac arrest 3 hours after her second vaccine dose. The team ran numerous tests. Early 60s, healthy, no heart problems. Eventually, they decided that absent any other explanation, they think the vaccine had something to do with it. It's b…

I’m terribly sorry to hear this. I don’t mean to sound callous by probing, but which vaccine was it? I wonder if the viral vs mRNA vaccines are significantly different in their safety profiles.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by devoutsalsa » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 8:50 AM UTC

If the COVID vaccine had a 1 to 10 chance of getting run over by a truck, I’d still take it. There’s a 10 in 10 chance of heart failure from stress eating peanut butter if I had to stay inside for extended periods of time.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by nojokes » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 11:51 AM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #9

JPKab wrote: post #4

I just took my mother-in-law off of life support last night, after her medical team confirmed she was brain dead. This was after about 10 days of trying to save her after a sudden cardiac arrest 3 hours after her second vaccine dose. The team ran numerous tests. Early 60s, healthy, no heart problems. Eventually, they decided that absent any other explanation, they think the vaccine had something to do with it. It's b…

That is awful. I’m sorry for your loss. I hope that front-line medical professionals are not reluctant to report potential vaccine injuries. I would be surprised if they are; there are decades of training and experience around such reporting. Unfortunately it is impossible to completely rule out the potential for injury or death even for routine vaccines, which is why (in the U.S. at least) there is a federally admin…

Do you know how survivor death benefits are calculated?

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by nojokes » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

Did they test for existence of antibodies before the vaccination?

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by JPKab » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #9

JPKab wrote: post #4

I just took my mother-in-law off of life support last night, after her medical team confirmed she was brain dead. This was after about 10 days of trying to save her after a sudden cardiac arrest 3 hours after her second vaccine dose. The team ran numerous tests. Early 60s, healthy, no heart problems. Eventually, they decided that absent any other explanation, they think the vaccine had something to do with it. It's b…

That is awful. I’m sorry for your loss. I hope that front-line medical professionals are not reluctant to report potential vaccine injuries. I would be surprised if they are; there are decades of training and experience around such reporting. Unfortunately it is impossible to completely rule out the potential for injury or death even for routine vaccines, which is why (in the U.S. at least) there is a federally admin…

No, this post isn't callous, and I appreciate the information.

I've had a few days to process, because her last few days on life support..... well, when I saw her, I could just sense that "she" was no longer present.... and the EEGs showed the decline in brain activity. Point is I was mourning her days ago, when her body was still alive. Anyways, a doctor pulled me aside and broke it down for me this way:

The vaccine is our weapon in a war against the virus, and my mother-in-law is a "friendly fire" casualty. They are inevitable, but the war must be fought.

While this kind of helps me feel a bit better, it's been disturbing to my wife and her family...... there has certainly been a rather strong tendency amongst the medical staff to try to attribute the causality to a multitude of other factors. They did this almost immediately. The tests, after days, showed an unusually healthy heart, and left them stumped. Only then did they even begin to discuss the vaccine. I understand why, it's just that the initial 4 days or so of behavior, and refusal to engage in any convo on the vaccine, made them suspicious.

They are Filipino-Americans, and have about as much trust in authority as my West Virginian relatives do, which is basically zero. This made things 20x worse. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to convince my wife to get vaccinated now. She had COVID in February when I did (both of us extremely mild symptoms) and she is currently saying she won't get the vaccine, even if that means cancelling our planned overseas trip.

Anyway, I just got an impression that there is some hesitancy, likely institutional, to not talk about it..... Which makes sense, seeing as how this manifests with famous friendly fire incidents in the military.

Edit:

I forgot to thank you for pointing out the HHS program, but I've been told that the program is extremely high burden of proof (my MIL was on machines for over a week, so any autopsy is garbage at this point). I've heard that in 10 years, they've handed out benefits to approximately 30 people. I hope I'm misinformed on this.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by JuliusPullo » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

jraph wrote: post #11

bjourne wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quote for context: > The COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to put young men at elevated risk of developing a heart muscle inflammation called myocarditis, researchers in Israel say. In a report submitted today to the Israeli Ministry of Health, they conclude that between one in 3000 and one in 6000 men ages 16 to 24 who received the vaccine developed the rare condition. But most cases were mild and…

it could still be worth it, if it only causes mild heart inflammation that vanishes in a few weeks if it prevents catching a non fatal Covid that may cause a few weeks of pain and have long term effects.

Remember that all we know are the immediate effects of the vaccine. The long term effects are not known, as this vaccine has been out a mere 7 or 8 months and is still on clinical trials.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by jraph » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

JuliusPullo wrote: post #17

jraph wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it could still be worth it, if it only causes mild heart inflammation that vanishes in a few weeks if it prevents catching a non fatal Covid that may cause a few weeks of pain and have long term effects.

Remember that all we know are the immediate effects of the vaccine. The long term effects are not known, as this vaccine has been out a mere 7 or 8 months and is still on clinical trials.

I agree, but this is true of Covid itself as well. We only have a few more months of insight.

We unfortunately play in a world of unknowns.

Note that I was just replying in the narrow context set by the parent. I won't state anything in the bigger picture, I'm not an expert.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by tomerico » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 3:22 PM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #16

snowwrestler wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is awful. I’m sorry for your loss. I hope that front-line medical professionals are not reluctant to report potential vaccine injuries. I would be surprised if they are; there are decades of training and experience around such reporting. Unfortunately it is impossible to completely rule out the potential for injury or death even for routine vaccines, which is why (in the U.S. at least) there is a federally admin…

No, this post isn't callous, and I appreciate the information. I've had a few days to process, because her last few days on life support..... well, when I saw her, I could just sense that "she" was no longer present.... and the EEGs showed the decline in brain activity. Point is I was mourning her days ago, when her body was still alive. Anyways, a doctor pulled me aside and broke it down for me this way: The vaccine…

Just noting that if you had COVID already, there is no need to get a vaccine, even for international travel.

Most countries that restrict travel to vaccinated people accept either a positive antibody test result or a positive COVID test result.

Re: Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and MRNA Vaccine

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Post by stefantalpalaru » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 3:30 PM UTC

"The mRNA-LNP platform’s lipid nanoparticle component used in preclinical vaccine studies is highly inflammatory" - https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.04.430128v1....