It's such a shame that Facebook was allowed to buy WhatsApp (and Instagram). WhatsApp itself seems truly pro-privacy, but that counts for diddly-squat when it's owned by Facebook.
What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
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#12As a user I find this section very intriguing. ************************* "Can WhatsApp work with law enforcement without traceability? WhatsApp respects the important work law enforcement does to keep people safe. Our dedicated team reviews and responds to valid law enforcement requests. We respond to valid requests by providing the limited categories of information available to us, consistent with applicable law and…
No need to break end to end encryption, they already control both ends.
And the unencrypted backups
Re: What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
#13Slightly off-topic, but for European readers:
Is how Facebook is trying to off-load cookie control onto the user's browser configuration anything close to compliant with law?
This is the only instance of a company I have seen not bothering with 'Accept' vs some other complicated choice dialog (and I only saw this because I was annoyed by WhatsApp forcing the TOS change and, lo, they seem to be forcing 'Allow all' for cookies too?)
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#14It's such a shame that Facebook was allowed to buy WhatsApp (and Instagram). WhatsApp itself seems truly pro-privacy, but that counts for diddly-squat when it's owned by Facebook.
What do you mean 'allowed' (Im not being snarky, honestly curious please take the question as not an attack)? The creators just sold it, private company, private service they could have sold it to anyone they wanted. I think in hindsight they regret selling it to FB, but it's really hard to turn down billions of dollars.
Re: What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
#15As a user I find this section very intriguing. ************************* "Can WhatsApp work with law enforcement without traceability? WhatsApp respects the important work law enforcement does to keep people safe. Our dedicated team reviews and responds to valid law enforcement requests. We respond to valid requests by providing the limited categories of information available to us, consistent with applicable law and…
Metadata I imagine? e.g. who is person X communicating with, when are they active, etc.
Could be extremely useful if you discover someone unreachable abroad is coordinating with people within your jurisdiction.
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#16Facebook talking about respecting human rights and privacy... If you want to make a truly secure messaging platform release the client and server side source code or gtfo.
Even if they release their server side source code how can you ensure that the deployed version matches the source ? Eventually there is always a thread of trust.
The point however is that the government of India is forcing private corporations to break privacy related measures to suppress civil liberties.
Re: What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
#17It's such a shame that Facebook was allowed to buy WhatsApp (and Instagram). WhatsApp itself seems truly pro-privacy, but that counts for diddly-squat when it's owned by Facebook.
What do you mean 'allowed' (Im not being snarky, honestly curious please take the question as not an attack)? The creators just sold it, private company, private service they could have sold it to anyone they wanted. I think in hindsight they regret selling it to FB, but it's really hard to turn down billions of dollars.
M&A is regulated, it's not a totally free market. If company A buys company B, the government allowed them to do so. There are plenty of scenarios where they won't.
Re: What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
#18As a user I find this section very intriguing. ************************* "Can WhatsApp work with law enforcement without traceability? WhatsApp respects the important work law enforcement does to keep people safe. Our dedicated team reviews and responds to valid law enforcement requests. We respond to valid requests by providing the limited categories of information available to us, consistent with applicable law and…
I don't trust Facebook when it comes to messaging. But even if I did they could easily rollout a backdoor to a specific client. In the worst case, they need some help from google and apple.
Re: What is traceability and why does WhatsApp oppose it?
#19As a user I find this section very intriguing. ************************* "Can WhatsApp work with law enforcement without traceability? WhatsApp respects the important work law enforcement does to keep people safe. Our dedicated team reviews and responds to valid law enforcement requests. We respond to valid requests by providing the limited categories of information available to us, consistent with applicable law and…
No need to break end to end encryption, they already control both ends. And the unencrypted backups
This is something people are just not talking about for some reason.
WhatsApp/signal style apps cannot be secure to this sort of attack. You would think now that a public mass attack has been successfully carried out (encrochat) people would get it. I don't know if it's submarine marketing or what but people think the current situation is just fine.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook's big enough that we don't even have to stop fighting them while we support them in this endeavour.
This is something I don't understand that continues to happen in politics, technology and many other facets of life. Why do you have to either fully support or fully be against a entity? You can selectively like some things someone does while not liking other things they do, same goes for corporations. You also don't have to justify bad things by listing good things they've also done, you can just like the good thing…
Most political systems tend to converge into a two-party system.
I think the internet has made people more vocal but access to opposing and nuanced viewpoints has made a lot of people grey. I know that's the case for me, not sure if it encapsulates the majority.