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Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by donpark » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 11:36 AM UTC

secoif wrote: post #4

I have never seen so much emphasis on the 'unstable' aspect of a software release. eg http://twitter.com/#!/search/nodejs%20unstable Though I know about the even/odd thing, it seems rather damaging to the platform to be announcing 'unstable' seemingly 'major' releases, don't you think? Why not Alpha? or Beta? or some other common convention? Ugh.

With node and similar projects, notion of stable/unstable is closer to geological notions (earthquake) and applies more to version branches (continents) than individual releases (states).

0.4 branch is and should be stable, meaning we can build on it and they'll try not to make big changes that could break what you built.

0.5 branch is unstable in the sense anything could change, even features added in 0.4 or older although they'll need compelling reasons to do that.

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by robinduckett » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 12:03 PM UTC

tedsuo wrote: post #8

robinduckett wrote: post #6

I would love it if they started adding support for JS1.7 / JS1.8 :(

They must wait for v8 to support it.

Not for the objects they don't, you could build in support for the typed arrays for example using the current V8/C++ to JS module system

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by iter8n » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 12:55 PM UTC

secoif wrote: post #4

I have never seen so much emphasis on the 'unstable' aspect of a software release. eg http://twitter.com/#!/search/nodejs%20unstable Though I know about the even/odd thing, it seems rather damaging to the platform to be announcing 'unstable' seemingly 'major' releases, don't you think? Why not Alpha? or Beta? or some other common convention? Ugh.

Because they aren't trying to sell a product. This is an announcement directed towards developers and coders using node who wish to contribute by trying out new features. Calling it 'unstable' makes it clear what it is and what it isn't.

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by iter8n » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 1:10 PM UTC

whatwhatwhat wrote: post #10

8___D wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got too excited about child_process.fork before I read the description. I was imagining it would be like C where I can fork, setup the env and exec. That would probably be tricky and very ugly to implement, though..

I don't think it would be too many lines of code, tbh http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/all.html#child_process.exe...

child_process.exec is different from n*x system exec. Node is still doing the fork()ing and exec()ing behind the scenes. Exposing those calls in node would give you direct access to the child process before executing your commands.

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by felixge » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 1:13 PM UTC

secoif wrote: post #4

I have never seen so much emphasis on the 'unstable' aspect of a software release. eg http://twitter.com/#!/search/nodejs%20unstable Though I know about the even/odd thing, it seems rather damaging to the platform to be announcing 'unstable' seemingly 'major' releases, don't you think? Why not Alpha? or Beta? or some other common convention? Ugh.

0.5 rips apart the whole event loop system and replaces it with a new one to support windows. It's much more unstable than 0.3 in that respect, which has mostly just seen API changes and feature additions.

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by felixge » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 1:15 PM UTC

8___D wrote: post #9

DrJ wrote: post #3

- add child_process.fork - add os.getNetworkInterfaces() - add remoteAddress and remotePort for client TCP connections I've been waiting for them to push these features out. (yes, I know you already have the address & port if you are a client).

I got too excited about child_process.fork before I read the description. I was imagining it would be like C where I can fork, setup the env and exec. That would probably be tricky and very ugly to implement, though..

I have a binding for *nix fork() here:

https://github.com/felixge/node-nix

However, you need to know what you are doing, otherwise you'll have multiple processes draining the same file descriptors which will give you some nice surprises : )

Re: Node v0.5.0 just released

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Post by iter8n » Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 1:34 PM UTC

felixge wrote: post #16

8___D wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got too excited about child_process.fork before I read the description. I was imagining it would be like C where I can fork, setup the env and exec. That would probably be tricky and very ugly to implement, though..

I have a binding for *nix fork() here: https://github.com/felixge/node-nix However, you need to know what you are doing, otherwise you'll have multiple processes draining the same file descriptors which will give you some nice surprises : )

Wow, awesome. It shouldn't be hard to create a binding for execvp as well then. I found the pipe() binding, but I can't use those fd's with child_process.spawn if i want to open them as fd 3, 4, 5, etc in the child.