Transitioning to Tesla Vision • Hacker News Board

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by w0m » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

The general assumption is that current FSD package is 'Beta', and being worked on. Will it ever get out of Beta? 20% chance I think. But Here's Hoping.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by avalys » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

Because they already made plans to drop the hardware, and the software team missed the deadline.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by aditya » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

Be interesting to see if Tesla Vision vs LIDAR ends up being massively different as car autonomy develops...

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by bigtones » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #8

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

" Full Speed Self Driving", as opposed to " High Speed Self Driving" wait, or is it the other way around? ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_2.0

Super speed self driving ;-)

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

It's incredible that a company as irresponsible as Tesla is allowed to operate vehicles on public roadways. "Well, we dropped a bunch of safety features, we're going to try to add them back via software update in the near future" is not the behavior of a company that should be entrusted with public safety.

Combine this with the fact that this is a choice to deliberately cripple the vehicle by removing a standard driver assistance sensor, and if I were dumb enough to have an open order, this would be a really good reason to cancel it.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by feifan » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

Deliveries are their most-watched top-line metric, and it's likely they can't delay deliveries anymore without significantly impacting their quarter.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by Animats » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

Well, their radar system hasn't been able to detect big solid metal obstacles such as overturned semitrailers and fire trucks.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by staplung » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

Interesting. I assume Tesla will never sell a car with lidar because it would be a tacit admission that the hardware associated with a bunch of Full Self-Driving sales was never going to be able to drive itself. I suppose there's nothing wrong with _removing_ some hardware (radar) but it seems like it kinda makes the job even harder. Maybe the angular resolution was so low that it wasn't really providing any value.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by wolpoli » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

A self-driving car is defined as "a vehicle that is capable of sensing its environment and moving safely with little or no human input" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car, but Tesla's Full Self-Driving feature actually requires human input. This is confusing.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by somishere » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

"undriving"