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Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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According to a variety of sources, including http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/lulzsecs-cloudflar... and http://backtracesecurity.com/page2 Sabu is Hector Monsegur. He lives in New York. He owns the domain prvt.org. This is the whois before he remembered to anonymize it: http://pastebin.com/Atf3V2u9

What you just did, in my country, is a rather serious fellony, and I'm struggling to see your point. (EDIT: though I'm still struggling to see the point of the parent comment, the above was in response to a slightly different phrasing that might've gotten the worst of me. At any rate, I don't wish to persue this dicussion any further.)

In what country is what I did a felony? I didn't uncover the documentation myself, I just gave you a link.

His anonymity is meaningless. Actions are performed by people; there is no way to hide effectively forever.

He is trying to not be caught when committing crimes. So, my comment was to help publicize the information the criminal doesn't want to be found.

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you just did, in my country, is a rather serious fellony, and I'm struggling to see your point. (EDIT: though I'm still struggling to see the point of the parent comment, the above was in response to a slightly different phrasing that might've gotten the worst of me. At any rate, I don't wish to persue this dicussion any further.)

In what country is what I did a felony? I didn't uncover the documentation myself, I just gave you a link. His anonymity is meaningless. Actions are performed by people; there is no way to hide effectively forever. He is trying to not be caught when committing crimes. So, my comment was to help publicize the information the criminal doesn't want to be found.

Brazil. Without trial or hard evidence, you're not supposed to associate people of being that criminal persona. That'd be vexatious litigation and libel (or slander, or defamation — English is not my first language, I'm not sure which word is the appropriate one here).

But don't read it like me pointing at you and saying "in Brazil you'd get your arse fined for that!" Read it as: I was taught to believe that what you just did is very serious and so I'm trying to see the relevance of your comment.

If you think you have hard evidence that you know who commited a fellony, go tip the police. I wouldn't in good faith want to attach that much stigma to someone's name in a public forum when there's a risk, a real chance I might be wrong.

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what country is what I did a felony? I didn't uncover the documentation myself, I just gave you a link. His anonymity is meaningless. Actions are performed by people; there is no way to hide effectively forever. He is trying to not be caught when committing crimes. So, my comment was to help publicize the information the criminal doesn't want to be found.

Brazil. Without trial or hard evidence, you're not supposed to associate people of being that criminal persona. That'd be vexatious litigation and libel (or slander, or defamation — English is not my first language, I'm not sure which word is the appropriate one here). But don't read it like me pointing at you and saying "in Brazil you'd get your arse fined for that!" Read it as: I was taught to believe that what you…

Very well, I have updated my post to clarify the people who originally made the claim.

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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I was more impressed with Khalid who went to Egypt and faced the bullets. Breaking into web sites, exposing passwords, is like 'pirate radio' in that its relatively low risk for the participants. I appreciate that you can't believe Sony or someone who says "we'll keep your data safe" but I have to believe there are better ways to get that information out without all the collateral damage. I continue to hope that folk…

Tank man in Tianamen Square changed the world forever. But it wasn't the action itself that changed things but what he inspired in others.

The biggest threat to our world today isn't any single dictatorship or government. It is the corrupt intertwining of financial and political power. When corruption is revealed it inspires action in others.

This is the new frontier of activism. Physical protest is action on the ground that can only accomplish so much without the air support of information warfare.

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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I was more impressed with Khalid who went to Egypt and faced the bullets. Breaking into web sites, exposing passwords, is like 'pirate radio' in that its relatively low risk for the participants. I appreciate that you can't believe Sony or someone who says "we'll keep your data safe" but I have to believe there are better ways to get that information out without all the collateral damage. I continue to hope that folk…

Sure it's relatively low risk, but isn't it way higher risk than anything you are doing to support your ideals?

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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I wonder how Antisec or LulzSec are supposed to bring about change. The interviewee talks about educating and changing people to fight corruption and abuse, but I'm not sure that is happening. For example, look at his involvement in the Tunisian revolution. He talked about disrupting the Tunesian government by defacing the prime ministers website. Did that actually help the Tunisians? I'm under the impression that the hard work got done by the protesters on the street, triggered by Mohamed Bouazizi when he burned himself.

I think it's not that different in democratic countries. Change comes about when enough people demand it and put pressure on their representatives. People have to be motivated to work together in large groups, since three letters demanding the same thing won't impress anyone, but a few thousand might. The work of lobbyists has to be countered, corruption has to be documented and brought to court, where hard evidence is a necessity. It takes lot of very demanding, hard work, without any direct gratification for a long time.

LulzSec/Antisec/Anonymous do nothing to help with that work. Instead, I fear that their actions will be used by politicians like Sarkozy to effect a policy of stronger internet regulation. In the end, these hacker groups might even do harm.

Re: Interview with key LulzSec hacker

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Because he wants to curtail everyone's freedoms to save the children?

Nope, he said all the right things to say, to get people to follow him, or think he's not such a bad guy after all.

Maybe he's just that, a great guy speaking his mind.
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