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Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by cookiengineer »

KaiserPro wrote: post #2

TL;DR: facebook stores exif data. however it strips it out for display to the public. This includes geodata. Its unclear what they do with it after, and how you have control over it. Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when…

> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data.

I always wonder why the bias is always against facebook and apple. As if people don't realize that all the privacy smoke and mirrors was just about being able to compete with the Ad Industry. Apple Ads now does the same, in a non-blockable manner. I mean, it clearly was about business tactics all along.

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by ignoramous »

speedgoose wrote: post #10
saos wrote: post #3

Or just delete Facebook apps.

Unfortunately it's not that simple for everyone. I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp. On all my contacts, I have two on Signal, zero on Matrix.

> I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp

See Beeper (bridges to various chat apps based on Matrix.org): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25848278

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by mrunseen »

chrisandchris wrote: post #6
LucidLynx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I did not saw this in the article... Can you elaborate on this like copy/pasting the line(s) from the article please?

> iOS 14.5 is also fairly new—the impact is still being assessed. And so we’ll need to wait and see what workarounds the data giants find to keep tracking our web and app activity. 6th paragraph. However, I‘m not sure whether Apple or Facebook is „the data giants“.

Apple is a data giant, that’s for sure but article talks mostly about location data which Apple has raw access to.

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by speedgoose »

ignoramous wrote: post #12
speedgoose wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's not that simple for everyone. I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp. On all my contacts, I have two on Signal, zero on Matrix.

> I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp See Beeper (bridges to various chat apps based on Matrix.org): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25848278

What's the value of such a bridge if Facebook still gets my messages ? And this doesn't support video calls.

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by l1ghthouse »

speedgoose wrote: post #10
saos wrote: post #3

Or just delete Facebook apps.

Unfortunately it's not that simple for everyone. I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp. On all my contacts, I have two on Signal, zero on Matrix.

Is Facebook messenger not available in the browser?

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by soziawa »

ignoramous wrote: post #12
speedgoose wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's not that simple for everyone. I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp. On all my contacts, I have two on Signal, zero on Matrix.

> I personally would lose contact with a lot of people if I delete Messenger or Whatsapp See Beeper (bridges to various chat apps based on Matrix.org): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25848278

This doesn't provide end-to-end-encryption for WhatsApp so I'd actually call this worse than just using WhatsApp in the first place. Facebook gets all the data and your messages are stored somewhere (either at Beeper or on your own server) as plaintext.

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Post by KaiserPro »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #7
KaiserPro wrote: post #2

TL;DR: facebook stores exif data. however it strips it out for display to the public. This includes geodata. Its unclear what they do with it after, and how you have control over it. Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when…

> Its unclear what they do with it after The article states that FB all but confirmed that it is used for advertising purposes. > the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. Where's the proof/evidence of this? Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers, but they say they don't track outside of apps (so app store ads use data from your app store usage e…

> Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers,

This isn't about leaks, its about actual design. The itracker system scans your local area for tags, and reports back their IDs and your location. This was rolled out without consent.

By default apple collects "significant locations", which is then accessible to the itracker system ostensibly to warn you about tracking devices.

We accept this because apple are "trusted".

What if Apple are only trusted because they understand how to PR their way out of a bad narrative?

By default all your photos are sent to icloud. They are indexed and processed to give you faces, locations and other (useful) metadata tools.

In one of the OS upgrades, OSX uploaded all my passwords saved in my laptop keychain to icloud, without consent or warning. Not only that it shared them with my phone. My phone didn't at the time have a strong password set.

Just imagine the sheer breathless indignity if facebook, tiktok, or similar tried just one of these actions. However apple(and google) has impunity to do all.

That's my point, if we do care about privacy, then we need to apply the same level of criticism to _all_ companies.

Re: Facebook still ‘secretly’ tracks your iPhone

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Post by KaiserPro »

LucidLynx wrote: post #4
KaiserPro wrote: post #2

TL;DR: facebook stores exif data. however it strips it out for display to the public. This includes geodata. Its unclear what they do with it after, and how you have control over it. Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when…

> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I did not saw this in the article... Can you elaborate on this like copy/pasting the line(s) from the article please?

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