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Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. It appears they have enough cash, enough clever people, and a good connection to Chinese manufacturers through their partners. If they make it Android-based but Open Source, similar to how the Unreal Engine contains proprietary components while remaining easy to customize, that could be quite the popular move for grabbing market share from Apple and Google. I, at least,…

That will solve none of the problems that they are suing Apple for.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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I really hope the concept of "you can't be anti-competitive if you own the entire ecosystem" dies.

The slogans are easy but you need to define what "ecosystem" is so we understand the system-wide implications of these attitudes. Can I for example go to Walmart and setup my own store inside their store without having to ask them? Can I do the same in your local mom-and-pop store?

The kind of ecosystem/business model that Apple has created is so fundamentally different from everything else that real world analogies just don't work. We should avoid using them in this debate.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. It appears they have enough cash, enough clever people, and a good connection to Chinese manufacturers through their partners. If they make it Android-based but Open Source, similar to how the Unreal Engine contains proprietary components while remaining easy to customize, that could be quite the popular move for grabbing market share from Apple and Google. I, at least,…

> I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone.

Maybe think through what you're proposing. Do you believe most of Epic's customers will buy two phones, charge two phones and carry two phones just so they can play their games, while also having access to first-class OS services like Google and Apple offer?

No.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Good! It's about time that our industry's monopoly of the ages is put to bed. Apple put us in the kettle and slowly turned up the heat. They delivered good hardware, good software, but at the same time demanded that nobody else have the ability to run JIT, other runtimes, first-class web, browsers, marketplaces, etc. Over time, Apple rose to 50% of the market, all the while exacting complete control and taxing all ma…

They would just stop making the phone.

Or they'll loudly whine and then follow their orders like Microsoft did back in the day.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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post #3

Good! It's about time that our industry's monopoly of the ages is put to bed. Apple put us in the kettle and slowly turned up the heat. They delivered good hardware, good software, but at the same time demanded that nobody else have the ability to run JIT, other runtimes, first-class web, browsers, marketplaces, etc. Over time, Apple rose to 50% of the market, all the while exacting complete control and taxing all ma…

I agree - the service Apple are offering for recurring payments is that of a payment processor. In a competitive market that role takes 2-3% at most. And that percentage has been falling year on year as new entrants have entered the market.

How does a company disrupt the Google/Apple phone duopoly? Even Microsoft spending hundreds of millions of dollars couldn't do it.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slogans are easy but you need to define what "ecosystem" is so we understand the system-wide implications of these attitudes. Can I for example go to Walmart and setup my own store inside their store without having to ask them? Can I do the same in your local mom-and-pop store?

The kind of ecosystem/business model that Apple has created is so fundamentally different from everything else that real world analogies just don't work. We should avoid using them in this debate.

I wasn't using an analogy. I was literally talking about: if this is a law, how it'll ACTUALLY impact every business.

If you think what Apple has created is different, again, define it. Let's see how it's fundamentally different and where the line is.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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post #13

I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. It appears they have enough cash, enough clever people, and a good connection to Chinese manufacturers through their partners. If they make it Android-based but Open Source, similar to how the Unreal Engine contains proprietary components while remaining easy to customize, that could be quite the popular move for grabbing market share from Apple and Google. I, at least,…

> I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. Maybe think through what you're proposing. Do you believe most of Epic's customers will buy two phones, charge two phones and carry two phones just so they can play their games, while also having access to first-class OS services like Google and Apple offer? No.

All the services that I rely upon on my Android phone are free 3rd party apps. Firefox, Banking, Authentication, Calendar

So if the "Epic Phone" had the ability to install and run APKs, that'd be good enough.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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post #3

Good! It's about time that our industry's monopoly of the ages is put to bed. Apple put us in the kettle and slowly turned up the heat. They delivered good hardware, good software, but at the same time demanded that nobody else have the ability to run JIT, other runtimes, first-class web, browsers, marketplaces, etc. Over time, Apple rose to 50% of the market, all the while exacting complete control and taxing all ma…

I'm confused, don't we allow this level of control with video game consoles? (Heck Sony and Microsoft also take 30% cuts)

What's the difference other than form factor?

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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There's a lot of debate and fine tuning of what should be allowed regarding things like the size of apple's cut, side loading or allowing a 3rd party appstore but it's painfully clear to me that banning app developers from even mentioning an alternate payment method is very anti-consumer.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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post #13

I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. It appears they have enough cash, enough clever people, and a good connection to Chinese manufacturers through their partners. If they make it Android-based but Open Source, similar to how the Unreal Engine contains proprietary components while remaining easy to customize, that could be quite the popular move for grabbing market share from Apple and Google. I, at least,…

> I really hope Epic will release a gaming phone. Maybe think through what you're proposing. Do you believe most of Epic's customers will buy two phones, charge two phones and carry two phones just so they can play their games, while also having access to first-class OS services like Google and Apple offer? No.

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