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Covid Hospitalized Patients per 100k – 25 Most vs. 25 Least Stringent States

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Re: Covid Hospitalized Patients per 100k – 25 Most vs. 25 Least Stringent States

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Post by stolenmerch »

tom_mellior wrote: post #9
loveistheanswer wrote: post #3

Very interesting. What conclusions can we draw from this?

Given that the author is an anti-masker conspiracy theorist, we can learn that one can score Internet brownie points in the anti-masker conspiracy theory community by plotting garbage data without providing sources or context.

The data comes from healthdata.gov[1] and sources[2] at the U.S. Census Bureau, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Kaiser Family Foundation, Ballotpedia, Editorial Projects in Education, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Restaurant Association, Littler Mendelson, Husch Blackwell and Ogletree Deakins.

How is this garbage data? Maybe it is, but I think you may need to do more work here than just calling him names. Everyone seems to feel very strongly about this on both sides, but I get the sense he made a good-faith effort with legitimate data. Perhaps you could do the same if you feel his conclusions were incorrect?

[1] https://healthdata.gov/dataset/COVID-19-Reported-Patient-Imp...

[2] https://wallethub.com/edu/states-coronavirus-restrictions/73...

Re: Covid Hospitalized Patients per 100k – 25 Most vs. 25 Least Stringent States

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Post by tom_mellior »

stolenmerch wrote: post #11
tom_mellior wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the author is an anti-masker conspiracy theorist, we can learn that one can score Internet brownie points in the anti-masker conspiracy theory community by plotting garbage data without providing sources or context.

The data comes from healthdata.gov[1] and sources[2] at the U.S. Census Bureau, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Kaiser Family Foundation, Ballotpedia, Editorial Projects in Education, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Restaurant Association, Littler Mendelson, Husch Blackwell and Ogletree Deakins. How is this garbage data? Maybe it is, but I think you may need to do more work here than jus…

Thanks for the sources. Unfortunately [2] won't load for me, claiming "too many requests".

Things I would look for in the data would be, at least:

- Are there substantial differences in the restrictions? If the least stringent rule is "wear masks in many public spaces", and the most stringent rule is "weak masks in slightly more public spaces", that wouldn't be substantial. Substantial differences would include actual lockdowns/curfews/closure of non-essential business. A strict limit of "one customer per N square meters of shop space" might also be substantial, if N is large enough.

- Are compliance and enforcement taken into account?

- (Pointed out by another poster:) Is population density taken into account?

> I think you may need to do more work here than just calling him names.

I might. But then again, if a renegade software developer on Twitter claims to overturn the medical community's consensus in one chart, I might not.

Re: Covid Hospitalized Patients per 100k – 25 Most vs. 25 Least Stringent States

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Post by stolenmerch »

tom_mellior wrote: post #13
stolenmerch wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data comes from healthdata.gov[1] and sources[2] at the U.S. Census Bureau, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Kaiser Family Foundation, Ballotpedia, Editorial Projects in Education, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Restaurant Association, Littler Mendelson, Husch Blackwell and Ogletree Deakins. How is this garbage data? Maybe it is, but I think you may need to do more work here than jus…

Thanks for the sources. Unfortunately [2] won't load for me, claiming "too many requests". Things I would look for in the data would be, at least: - Are there substantial differences in the restrictions? If the least stringent rule is "wear masks in many public spaces", and the most stringent rule is "weak masks in slightly more public spaces", that wouldn't be substantial. Substantial differences would include actua…

I'd check the link again because it answers most if not all of your questions. It weighs (with gradated strictness) mask usage, restaurant closures, school re-openings, large gathering restrictions, health checks, travel, lockdowns, and more. You may have some quibbles with the methodology, and that's fine, but it really doesn't look like "garbage data".

Also, there is no medical consensus on this array of restrictions and I don't think he claims to overturn anything. There is a robust and healthy debate among scientists and medical professionals on the effectiveness of school closures, lockdowns, temperature checks, etc. The scientific certainty of mask efficacy in some circumstances simply can't be a stand-in for every pandemic restriction.

I understand this is a polarizing topic because it maps closely to political leanings, but we should all try to be more open-minded to good faith efforts to understand the data whether it confirms our biases or not.

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