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Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by bawolff »

ta_ca wrote: post #9
dna_polymerase wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.

i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?

I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets.

FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around.

If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

#12

Post by ta_ca »

bawolff wrote: post #11
ta_ca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?

I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived…

that one is really easy.

first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by joelbluminator »

ta_ca wrote: post #12
bawolff wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived…

that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid

I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by Thristle »

ta_ca wrote: post #12
bawolff wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived…

that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid

How bout you don't assume it's "poison" if Israelis don't share your personal views on this.

Its easier to call this an "ethnic cleansing" or "attacking civilian" then to actually admit that Gaza strip is a separate entity from Israel (unlike the west Bank). Israel doesn't want that land (or else they would leave it years ago or do a better job claiming it) They don't want to "clear the land of Palestinians" (or else they would just bomb them continuously instead of only when an escalation like this starts)

The fact is that in times of relative peace, Gaza receives some aid from Israel (power, water, medicine). The fact that this aid is conditional is only logical.

Yes, settlements are bad. But this is not the main reason why this is happening. The more co-existing west Bank have much better relations with Israel then the separated Gaza strip(although in the past, Gaza had much better relations as well-trade and workers could move almost freely)

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

#16

Post by Thristle »

potiuper wrote: post #15

Surprising there has not been a push for a larger Starshot like laser to be built on the high ground near by the Gaza border. https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weap...

Is that laser based air defense? It was tested in israel but was canceled because of high cost and inability to scale

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

#17

Post by runarberg »

joelbluminator wrote: post #13
ta_ca wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid

I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.

The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state.

Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force.

Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by joelbluminator »

runarberg wrote: post #17
joelbluminator wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.

The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and…

Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by [deleted] »

joelbluminator wrote: post #18
runarberg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and…

Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.

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Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by dogma1138 »

Thristle wrote: post #16
potiuper wrote: post #15

Surprising there has not been a push for a larger Starshot like laser to be built on the high ground near by the Gaza border. https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weap...

Is that laser based air defense? It was tested in israel but was canceled because of high cost and inability to scale

That was in the 90’s tho https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser

Technology has evolved and most importantly the threat factor has evolved. Hamas and Hezbollah can now cripple the Israeli economy by forcing the population to shelter in place and being able to hit essentially every corner of Israel.

When THEL was tested the threat was much more localized to the border towns of northern Israel and at the time the settlements in Gaza which in the overall scheme of things it was more of a nuisance than a strategic threat.

If Hamas’s capability to strike Israel remained static and was limited to circa 2004-2005 when the first rocket strikes began to appear even Iron Dome might not have been developed and deployed at the scale it has today.

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