I am inclined to believe they have a lot more near to Indian boarder, just don't want them to be widely publicized.
China Railway Map (2021)
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Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#12The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
And, critically, it was well known what the results would be when those policies were bought in. The West purposefully made a trade off to have a better environmental and social outcomes and worse economy.
> The West purposefully made a trade off to have a better environmental and social outcomes and worse economy.
How is people flying and driving better than using electric trains? Also in this case there is no "west", the US decided to keep people on the road an in the air, but in western europe we built extensive HSR networks exactly to reduce pollution (and create competition to short-distance airlines, but that's another story).
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pure politics. You can buy tickets for Taiwan's trains only in Taiwan, or online of course. Plus, they missed to include Taiwan's high speed railway system. I am sure that was on purpose, too, since it was build before the Chinese one (2007). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_High_Speed_Rail
They're also missing the Alishan Forest Railway. also isn't the red line the Taiwanese HSR?
Yes. But it is missing in the GIF. Because there it would have to be the first line to show up.
Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#14The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
And, critically, it was well known what the results would be when those policies were bought in. The West purposefully made a trade off to have a better environmental and social outcomes and worse economy.
Unless the “west” doesn’t include Europe, this is incorrect. Europe has extensive train and metro systems.
Secondly, I’m not sure how driving combustion engine cars has better environmental outcomes than electrified trains. Even if the trains weren’t electrified, they’re still orders of magnitude more efficient than a car that generally has 1-2 people in it.
Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#15Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
> many countries in the West should hire the Chinese to construct and build HSR in their countries with foreign labour under local direction
There's absolutely no reason to do it, most (if not all) western countries are perfectly capable of building highspeed railway technically speaking. The reason why it's not done is political and financial. Also in the current climate you'll have a hard time justifying hiring a chinese companies over a domestic company to build critical infrastuctures (and rightfully so imo). In fact I believe public contracts should always be awarded to domestic companies, granted domestic companies with the required skills exist (which is absolutely the case in Europe for railway).
Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#16Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
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Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#17Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
Yeah it's political and off-topic, but it's also something to see how their citizens are trained by CCP to blatantly include Taiwan for every map they make (the post link and the gif)
I like entertaining the idea that citizens are not mindless sheep that can only be “trained”. I bet there’re many who believe Taiwan is part of greater China.
Re: China Railway Map (2021)
#18Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
>many countries in the West should hire the Chinese to construct and build HSR in their countries with foreign labour under local direction
We tried that with highways in Poland. Chinese company Covec came in, underbid for 30 and 20 km pieces of A2, got paid advances, hired local labour, didnt pay contractors for finished work, decided they didnt like the project any more and wanted more money, packed up and left with half the contracted work done.
One of the reasons cited for the failure was arrest of Liu Zhijuna, Chinese minister of rail, for alleged corruption. Covec was a China Railway Group subsidiary.
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#19Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
>many countries in the West should hire the Chinese to construct and build HSR in their countries with foreign labour under local direction We tried that with highways in Poland. Chinese company Covec came in, underbid for 30 and 20 km pieces of A2, got paid advances, hired local labour, didnt pay contractors for finished work, decided they didnt like the project any more and wanted more money, packed up and left wit…
Regulations are to blame here, not lack of skills or capabilities. The Chinese companies won’t fare any better with this type of regulatory environment.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
>many countries in the West should hire the Chinese to construct and build HSR in their countries with foreign labour under local direction We tried that with highways in Poland. Chinese company Covec came in, underbid for 30 and 20 km pieces of A2, got paid advances, hired local labour, didnt pay contractors for finished work, decided they didnt like the project any more and wanted more money, packed up and left wit…
Regulations are to blame here, not lack of skills or capabilities. The Chinese companies won’t fare any better with this type of regulatory environment.
What are the regulations that let you not pay contractors and just fuck off from the country once you dont like the deal you yourself proposed signed off?