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Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#11

Post by breakfastduck »

madeofpalk wrote: post #7

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

I'm lost now when it comes to project / dev / story etc management tools.

No idea what the best option is, any recommendations for tools developers will actually use or do you just need to do a custom integration with github issues?

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#12

Post by typeofnandev »

madeofpalk wrote: post #10
typeofnandev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only it _was_ the case!

Sliding in here with the hot take, but Jira can actually be pretty good! Github is terrible at project management. The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated.

>The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated.

I actually really like this take, because a lot of the times it feels like a tool's complexity is from what it lets you do. I feel like if Jira was "dumber" (i.e., less feature "rich") it'd be so much better.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#13

Post by dawnerd »

breakfastduck wrote: post #6

Must admit my comment is spurred by the first few words but my god Dreamweaver was so good in the early 2000's. I actually got introduced to it in ICT lessons at high school. Oh Adobe. The memory of their software is so nostalgic. Don't get me started, I'll be talking about macromedia shockwave next...

It's how I got my professional start too. It's code editor and file management was pretty nice for the time.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#14

Post by madeofpalk »

typeofnandev wrote: post #12
madeofpalk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sliding in here with the hot take, but Jira can actually be pretty good! Github is terrible at project management. The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated.

>The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated. I actually really like this take, because a lot of the times it feels like a tool's complexity is from what it lets you do. I feel like if Jira was "dumber" (i.e., less feature "rich") it'd be so much better.

To be clear - you have to go in and actively make Jira worse to make it bad. If you stick to the modern defaults and don't add in additional workflows you'll be fine.

It's certainly an indictment of Jira and it's technical legacy that it lets to make it bad.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#15

Post by [deleted] »

breakfastduck wrote: post #11
madeofpalk wrote: post #7

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

I'm lost now when it comes to project / dev / story etc management tools. No idea what the best option is, any recommendations for tools developers will actually use or do you just need to do a custom integration with github issues?

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Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#16

Post by dleslie »

madeofpalk wrote: post #10
typeofnandev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only it _was_ the case!

Sliding in here with the hot take, but Jira can actually be pretty good! Github is terrible at project management. The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated.

I happen to agree.

I miss the data analysis tools Jira had at its disposal, and the ability to create home pages with all sorts of graphs, todo lists, and so forth.

Since last using Jira I've never felt nearly as aware of the state of a project as when I did.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#17

Post by burlesona »

breakfastduck wrote: post #11
madeofpalk wrote: post #7

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

I'm lost now when it comes to project / dev / story etc management tools. No idea what the best option is, any recommendations for tools developers will actually use or do you just need to do a custom integration with github issues?

I switched from Jira to Linear and am very happy with it. Just the right mix of power, completeness, and customization, without any fussy fiddling. It’s also blazing fast.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#18

Post by danielheath »

breakfastduck wrote: post #11
madeofpalk wrote: post #7

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

I'm lost now when it comes to project / dev / story etc management tools. No idea what the best option is, any recommendations for tools developers will actually use or do you just need to do a custom integration with github issues?

I've long wished for a tool that (for git) what fossil has built in: issues stored in the repository, where developers can use their full range of tools to work on them locally.

A few additional things would be required to make this work for less-technical team members, and you end up building some of your own workflow, but it means that E.G. you have options like "update the description of a ticket as part of the pull request that implements it".

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by breakfastduck »

burlesona wrote: post #17
breakfastduck wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm lost now when it comes to project / dev / story etc management tools. No idea what the best option is, any recommendations for tools developers will actually use or do you just need to do a custom integration with github issues?

I switched from Jira to Linear and am very happy with it. Just the right mix of power, completeness, and customization, without any fussy fiddling. It’s also blazing fast.

We're running Monday. Has to be used by approx 60-80 users mix of dev / old school projects & support.

I'll check out Linear. Been looking at Clubhouse too.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by breakfastduck »

dawnerd wrote: post #13
breakfastduck wrote: post #6

Must admit my comment is spurred by the first few words but my god Dreamweaver was so good in the early 2000's. I actually got introduced to it in ICT lessons at high school. Oh Adobe. The memory of their software is so nostalgic. Don't get me started, I'll be talking about macromedia shockwave next...

It's how I got my professional start too. It's code editor and file management was pretty nice for the time.

Basically the winning feature was that the UX was essentially the same as Photoshop.

Slice up those PSDs and, WOW I can try coding it up myself and it kinda-sort looks-works the same as PS!

It was the exact tool Photoshop using website designers needed to up-skill smoothly.

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