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Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by peterpost2 »

daveslash wrote: post #7
paxys wrote: post #3

I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…

I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.

You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by annoyingnoob »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

Gmail alone currently handles over 50% of US email traffic, with Microsoft and a handful of other service providers taking up a good chunk of the other half. These large providers all use internal blacklists and filtering rules, which cannot be queried, and no support is available if you get blackholed. Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam; a good chunk of messages sent from outsi…

I run my own email server. The most important people in my life have accounts on my own server. No gmail needed or wanted. I can answer all of those questions of delivery for myself.

We get so much spam from gmail that gmail has earned itself an increased spam score just because its gmail. Its unlikely that my users see much from gmail, unless they want it.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by ihattendorf »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #10
thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

Gmail alone currently handles over 50% of US email traffic, with Microsoft and a handful of other service providers taking up a good chunk of the other half. These large providers all use internal blacklists and filtering rules, which cannot be queried, and no support is available if you get blackholed. Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam; a good chunk of messages sent from outsi…

> Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam My experience is the exact opposite of yours - I find Gmail's spam detection absolutely amazing. I get essentially zero spam in my inbox, and perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month. >As a Gmail user, there is nothing you can do to verify that you're getting all of the legitimate mail traffic that is being sent to you. What oth…

> perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month

That's 4-6 valid messages a month the average user will never see.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by tkzed49 »

daveslash wrote: post #7
paxys wrote: post #3

I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…

I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.

That makes sense in principle, but in practice I think this is a case where the technology is eventually going to have to meet the real world needs and not the other way around; email just doesn't match typical patterns of personal communication in my experience.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by tkzed49 »

ihattendorf wrote: post #15
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam My experience is the exact opposite of yours - I find Gmail's spam detection absolutely amazing. I get essentially zero spam in my inbox, and perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month. >As a Gmail user, there is nothing you can do to verify that you're getting all of the legitimate mail traffic that is being sent to you. What oth…

> perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month That's 4-6 valid messages a month the average user will never see.

I disagree, I think "check your spam" is fairly widely understood.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by ashton314 »

kitkat_new wrote: post #2

There is a more modern alternative* to Email: Matrix It improves significantly in security (easy E2EE) and usability (and of course functionality) while still keeping advantages like decentralization. How the protocol is used is up to you and the Matrix client (which atm is mostly chat, but I am sure one could give you a more email-like client). *ignoring the ubiquitous presence of email, which is kind of the main se…

Is Matrix really that widely used? I'm a fan—I want to set up my own server one of these days when I get the time—but I get the feeling that it's still kinda niche. Who's using it? This is exciting!

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Post by inter_netuser »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

Gmail alone currently handles over 50% of US email traffic, with Microsoft and a handful of other service providers taking up a good chunk of the other half. These large providers all use internal blacklists and filtering rules, which cannot be queried, and no support is available if you get blackholed. Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam; a good chunk of messages sent from outsi…

read-receipt isnt handled well by gmail?
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