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Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by yummypaint »

8bitsrule wrote: post #4

Lotta early-rock-history-for-newbs in there, I'll give it that. Dylan's insights - race, payola, manipulation - were already gospel long ago, for example in 1984 in Patrick Montgomery's Rock and Roll: The Early Days (1984). [0] (Despite the resolution) Enjoy! (About the garage-band thing supposedly happening? Not on the radio!) [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2K-KrtBNs Edit: while I'm on it, if you'd like exper…

People interested in the Alan Cross content might also like the five watt world short history videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5OAMxnvhTyc3rjgpY6u8cA

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by hntroll999 »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
stuaxo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just name calling and doesn't address any of the points, which are all valid - for anyone who pays attention to music.

Don't feed the troll, just downvote and move on.

HN has really become despicable. If people had integrity or guts, they'd take my comment apart and show everyone how wrong it was. But they can't do that, so they just hide what I said. Don't you feel ashamed? Why are people so afraid to put the strength of their ideas to the test? I really pity people who would put their hand over the mouth of someone calling out fashionable racism for what it is.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by ObserverNeutral »

Mad respect to Bob Dylan, he's the best at what he does and this inteview proves it, because he touches the social and human aspect.

You need these capabilities to write great songs.

To me the reality is much simpler. A rock n roll song needs more time to be appreciated compared to other styles of music.

Modern society goes much faster than the 60s and 70s. Also competition with other forms of entertainment...music quality has remained essentially the same compared to the 60s...whereas the quality of video based story telling (TV, movies, live sports etc.) improved from distorted out of focus sporadic content to 8K whenever you want

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by yoz-y »

crucialfelix wrote: post #5
llamataboot wrote: post #3

I often reflect on the similiarities to that and how techno and house became EDM. When I started going to Midwestern raves in the 1990s they were literally some of the first fully integrated places I hung out in. Definitely some of the Detroit techno parties we went too, some of the first places where it was a majority Black space. EDM now is thought of as this totally white music, all electronic music really, by eve…

I was in the 90s Midwest rave scene as well. This pattern repeats itself in music over and over. Jungle to DNB. Dubstep was like two tone, then it got destroyed by the US market takeover. Garage, grime, dancehall, hip hop all stay mainly black (with some white artists accepted) to defend their scene. Precisely to stop the take over from happening again.

With streaming, what does make a genre more or less appreciated by a group of people? TBH for most of the artists I listen to, I have no idea who they are, how they look like or even how many of them are in the band.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by failwhaleshark »

llamataboot wrote: post #3

I often reflect on the similiarities to that and how techno and house became EDM. When I started going to Midwestern raves in the 1990s they were literally some of the first fully integrated places I hung out in. Definitely some of the Detroit techno parties we went too, some of the first places where it was a majority Black space. EDM now is thought of as this totally white music, all electronic music really, by eve…

First: The parent comment is stereotyping and racist. Edit: they changed their comment to remove some racism (use of "white" and "whitewashing") but are still racist.

They don't understand what EDM is: the superset of most electronic music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

In my opinion, the phylogeny of EDM and related genres looks like this:

Funk beget disco and boogie.

Funk and boogie beget electro.

Disco and boogie beget house.

Electro beget techno.

Electro and funk beget breakbeat.

House and techno beget trance.

(Trance and its subgenres (like acid trance) and deep progressive house are/were what raves were made of.)

Calypso beget ska.

Ska beget reggae.

Reggae beget dub.

Dub and breakbeat beget dubstep.

Dubstep != brostep. (Brostep is crapstep.)

Reggae, rock, and rockabilly beget punk.

Funk, disco, jazz, and punk beget hip hop.

Hip hop beget trap.

Dubstep and trap beget EDM trap.

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DigitallyImported had zillions of genres, subgenres, and maybe genres of EDM.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by bitwize »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #15
llamataboot wrote: post #3

I often reflect on the similiarities to that and how techno and house became EDM. When I started going to Midwestern raves in the 1990s they were literally some of the first fully integrated places I hung out in. Definitely some of the Detroit techno parties we went too, some of the first places where it was a majority Black space. EDM now is thought of as this totally white music, all electronic music really, by eve…

First: The parent comment is stereotyping and racist. Edit: they changed their comment to remove some racism (use of "white" and "whitewashing") but are still racist. They don't understand what EDM is: the superset of most electronic music. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music In my opinion, the phylogeny of EDM and related genres looks like this: Funk beget disco and boogie. Funk and boogie beget ele…

EDM is its own separate thing now, it basically means "radio pop with a four-on-the-floor beat and synths".

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by failwhaleshark »

bitwize wrote: post #17
failwhaleshark wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First: The parent comment is stereotyping and racist. Edit: they changed their comment to remove some racism (use of "white" and "whitewashing") but are still racist. They don't understand what EDM is: the superset of most electronic music. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music In my opinion, the phylogeny of EDM and related genres looks like this: Funk beget disco and boogie. Funk and boogie beget ele…

EDM is its own separate thing now, it basically means "radio pop with a four-on-the-floor beat and synths".

No. Just no. You can redefine terms but this doesn't make it so.

Edit: "Despite the industry's attempt to create a specific EDM brand, the initialism remains in use as an umbrella term for multiple genres, including dance-pop, house, techno and electro, as well as their respective subgenres." - Wikipedia. Wikipedia being right for a change, this is industry BS. Don't buy it like a willing consumer.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by mycologos »

WJW wrote: post #16

It's just https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths all over again. As old as the world.

I like that theory, but TFA doesn't really advance it. Among other things, TFA argues that commercially powerful interests like record companies deliberately fractured rock and roll's racial integration into segregated genres. I don't think "geeks, mops, sociopaths" covers this kind of intentional, external crackdown on a subculture.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by bumbada »

What killed rock n roll is the same thing that "killed" every other music genre before: Demographics.

People get older and young people want to differentiate themselves from older people, so they just do different things, including listening to different music.

This even happened with what we consider classical music, from Beethoven Eroica to Stravinski Rite of Spring and specially Operas.

Old people will consider a new style an "scandal", specially established musicians and young people will adopt it.

It is not different from Einstein being a revolutionary against the Elders and then being the Elder against Heisenberg.

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