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HN: The Good Parts (2016)

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Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

#11
I, for one, am really impressed by the comments. The quantity is amazing for the quality, and the quality is amazing for the quantity. The top 1 comment isn't always great, but one of the top 3 usually is.

Or so I thought... till I read this Good Parts post and now I am left with this vague feeling I've been wrong all along. I wish he had said why some comments are so bad.

I now don't want to end up as the top comment because its always bad?

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

#12
He missed a couple of the things that bother me about HN:

* People fishing for upvotes by complaining about how X news site uses Javascript or has a paywall. We get it. I know. I agree. Stop posting it.

* Top comments being tangential responses to the title, not discussions of the linked content. I usually enjoy the tangential responses, but I want to see the more-relevant discussion voted higher. I can only imagine that these posts are being upvoted by people who also didn't read the article.

> On any topic I’m informed about, the vast majority of comments are pretty clearly wrong.

I'd be curious to see some examples, because this isn't really my experience. Once in a while, yes. But not that often and not the vast majority, and it mostly pops up in political-flavored threads. But I should defer to Luu, who is a lot more informed than I am on a lot of topics.

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

#13
post #9

I sometimes wonder how HN’s audience is shaped by the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people. I suspect it is one part of the site’s tilt toward the younger crowd

Interesting thought.

I'm wondering how effective non-text would be? Personally, text is my preferred medium for any non-simple communication.

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

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post #9

I sometimes wonder how HN’s audience is shaped by the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people. I suspect it is one part of the site’s tilt toward the younger crowd

> the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people

Can you expand? I naively thought that a site with markup as simple as HN's (zooming is flawless and it even works without JavaScript) would be very accessible to visually-impaired people.

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

#15

I think besides dang and other moderators who keep the site somewhat cleaned up through brute force, the fact that HN discourages flashy features and headache-inducing levels of information density and imagery helps to keep a core audience present, unlike most other platforms that start out simple then quickly pile on feature after feature that make the original audience depart.

It definitely does and I wonder if there is a larger lesson for other forum / software. We can't seem to be able help ourself and not change things in the name of "improvements" and appart from OSS I can't think of many other example then HN that just held to it's roots.

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

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post #9

I sometimes wonder how HN’s audience is shaped by the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people. I suspect it is one part of the site’s tilt toward the younger crowd

As someone who isn't visually impaired I have little to go by or background to judge, but HN strikes me as not being particularly inaccessible, given its minimal UI and very little reliance on non-textual elements, in particular compared to most social media sites.

What in particular would you wish to have improved?

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

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post #9

I sometimes wonder how HN’s audience is shaped by the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people. I suspect it is one part of the site’s tilt toward the younger crowd

I mean, the site scales really well with browser size, default font size etc. I'd argue the real inaccessibility is lack of images, and general "boring" vibe that puts off entire demographics who post the type of content that might not be welcome here.

Re: HN: The Good Parts (2016)

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post #9

I sometimes wonder how HN’s audience is shaped by the site’s deliberate inaccessibility to visually impaired people. I suspect it is one part of the site’s tilt toward the younger crowd

Maybe this is my inexperience with front-end design keeping a11y in mind: what about HN is inaccessible for visually impaired people? It is mostly plain-text so it is easy to resize. There is some low-contrast text but that can be adjusted in CSS with user styles. I haven't tried a screen reader but I imagine that it would work reasonably well. All not to mention that there are HN RSS feeds, so the content can be consumed in any way that a person might want.
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