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A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Is there any surprising data? I'm not surprised it records destinations entered into satnav for example. I mean that's a fairly common trick in TV shows. > MSAB claims that this data can include “Recent destinations, favorite locations, call logs, contact lists, SMS messages, emails, pictures, videos, social media feeds, and the navigation history of everywhere the vehicle has been.” MSAB even touts the ability to re…

> I seriously doubt my car has records of my emails, pictures, videos, and social media feeds even though it has Android Auto.

Why?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." CBP's warrantless searches are plainly unconstitutional.

NSA has been illegally spying on US citizens for 20+ years, in direct violation of the constitution. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-expos...

President Obama signed off on a drone strike on foreign soil targeting and killing a US citizen, in direct violation of the constitution depriving a citizen of a fair trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

We didn't collectively do anything about it then, except cheer it on or say nothing, so it will continue and expand until, and if, we do.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

Think about how much the iPhone improved over 9 years of sales from the original in 2007 to whatever model they had in 2016. Given how many manufacturers are jumping on the electric bandwagon, the extremely fast decline in the cost of batteries, the rate of progress to date AND these kinds of laws to give some good motivation, I think it's very safe to say the electric vehicles on sale 9 years from now (2030) will be…

>on sale 9 years from now (2030) will be vastly superior to today's offerings

I hope you are right. Discounting the environmental and societal impact of mining the materials needed for these advancements and the electrical generation, my concern is selfish. We drive for vacations and sometimes push 12 hours a day. A quick fill up of gas in the minivan seems better than an hour or two of charging.

Others have mentioned hybirds alleviate the long distance concern. There are minivan and larger vehicles already using hybird technology, so it should work out. It is such a wild change to think about.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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“Your phone died, you’re gonna get in the car, plug it in, and there’s going to be this nice convenient USB port for you. When you plug it into this USB port, it’s going to charge your phone, absolutely. And as soon as it powers up, it’s going to start sucking all your data down into the car.”

That used to be just something seen in hostile devices. Now it's standard equipment.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

Think about how much the iPhone improved over 9 years of sales from the original in 2007 to whatever model they had in 2016. Given how many manufacturers are jumping on the electric bandwagon, the extremely fast decline in the cost of batteries, the rate of progress to date AND these kinds of laws to give some good motivation, I think it's very safe to say the electric vehicles on sale 9 years from now (2030) will be…

And, aside from the range like the GP said, will still be fully tracking all usage. Why does the car manufacturer get to see and sell my location information?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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“Your phone died, you’re gonna get in the car, plug it in, and there’s going to be this nice convenient USB port for you. When you plug it into this USB port, it’s going to charge your phone, absolutely. And as soon as it powers up, it’s going to start sucking all your data down into the car.” That used to be just something seen in hostile devices. Now it's standard equipment.

I'd still call it hostile though...

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." CBP's warrantless searches are plainly unconstitutional.

NSA has been illegally spying on US citizens for 20+ years, in direct violation of the constitution. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-expos... President Obama signed off on a drone strike on foreign soil targeting and killing a US citizen, in direct violation of the constitution depriving a citizen of a fair trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki We didn't collectively do anything…

A few months later, Obama codified indefinite detention without trial. Some of us sounded the alarm, but it seems that politicians are still drunk on power post-9/11 and neither party is interested in the "rule of law" as set out by the constitution.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/detention/inde...

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

Think about how much the iPhone improved over 9 years of sales from the original in 2007 to whatever model they had in 2016. Given how many manufacturers are jumping on the electric bandwagon, the extremely fast decline in the cost of batteries, the rate of progress to date AND these kinds of laws to give some good motivation, I think it's very safe to say the electric vehicles on sale 9 years from now (2030) will be…

Yes, it's probably true, the iPhone of 9 years ago probably collected a lot less information, and the cars of 9 years from now will also collect a lot more.

However, less on the original point and more on yours, the iPhone of 9 years ago didn't have that much worse of a battery than today. Batteries have technically been progressing, but it's slow.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about how much the iPhone improved over 9 years of sales from the original in 2007 to whatever model they had in 2016. Given how many manufacturers are jumping on the electric bandwagon, the extremely fast decline in the cost of batteries, the rate of progress to date AND these kinds of laws to give some good motivation, I think it's very safe to say the electric vehicles on sale 9 years from now (2030) will be…

And, aside from the range like the GP said, will still be fully tracking all usage. Why does the car manufacturer get to see and sell my location information?

Aren't electric vehicles a lot simpler conceptually? No engine, no transmission, etc. Maybe someone could start a company that made the equivalent of a battery with wheels for very cheap.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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From the marketing material: iVe currently supports AUDI, BMW, Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, FIAT, Ford, GMC, HUMMER, Hyundai/Kia, INFINITI, Jeep, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, Maserati, Mercury, Nissan, Pontiac, Ram, Saturn, SEAT, Skoda, SRT, Toyota and Volkswagen

Now you know which brands to avoid!

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