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Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by chris_wot »

0xfaded wrote: post #2

I'm an Australian living abroad, and from my perspective this is consistent with the government's messaging from the beginning: "come home now or be prepared to stay were you are for an extended period of time." Unfortunate as it is, Australians were told to make a decision early last year. It's ultimately unfair to other Australians who have made sacrifices to keep Australia effectively Covid free if others who deci…

There are thousands of Australians who tried to get home, but were unable to. Your comment is misleading.

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Post by tiew9Vii »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #7
Closi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I'm not entirely sure it's consistent with the spirit of citizenship though, even if it's consistent with the governments messaging. What happens if peoples visas expire? What happens if people lose their job abroad? What happens if people's home life in Australia changes, and they have to go back to care for an elderly or ill relative? Or if your father dies and someone needs to care for your mum? "Tough shit, y…

Australia awards citizenship extremely generously. You only need to be living in the country for four years (which can be as an international student), there is no income test, no employment test, no language test, no requirement to give up your prior citizenship. The 'Australians' in India are citizens of opportunity, who were born in India and retain their citizenship there, and the sympathy for them from actual Au…

I am not sure where you are getting your information from, I assure you it’s far from the correct.

I suggest a visit to https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-fi... and do some research in to visa options from the source of truth not a tabloid newspaper and read the requirements, processing times and the money involved.

Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by fpig »

Closi wrote: post #4
0xfaded wrote: post #2

I'm an Australian living abroad, and from my perspective this is consistent with the government's messaging from the beginning: "come home now or be prepared to stay were you are for an extended period of time." Unfortunate as it is, Australians were told to make a decision early last year. It's ultimately unfair to other Australians who have made sacrifices to keep Australia effectively Covid free if others who deci…

Eh, I'm not entirely sure it's consistent with the spirit of citizenship though, even if it's consistent with the governments messaging. What happens if peoples visas expire? What happens if people lose their job abroad? What happens if people's home life in Australia changes, and they have to go back to care for an elderly or ill relative? Or if your father dies and someone needs to care for your mum? "Tough shit, y…

How is this even an issue? I just can’t imagine many Australians going to India to work since it’s a much poorer country. Like, it’s hard for me to believe there’s more than 100 Australians who did that. And they can easily quarantine that many people. The article makes it sound like it’s a huge number of people they’d need to build facilities for which seems super strange.

Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by ithkuil »

jpmoral wrote: post #10
ArkanExplorer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia awards citizenship extremely generously. You only need to be living in the country for four years (which can be as an international student), there is no income test, no employment test, no language test, no requirement to give up your prior citizenship. The 'Australians' in India are citizens of opportunity, who were born in India and retain their citizenship there, and the sympathy for them from actual Au…

This isn't accurate. There is a citizenship test, and as I understand it some level of English proficiency is required. The residency requirement is four years, at least one as a permanent resident. Permanent residency, depending on the stream, has its own skill, employment, and English proficiency requirements. As for how 'actual Australians' feel, this is a complex issue with questions on a lot of axes. People's op…

I assume the way actual Australians feel is also in part fueled by disinformation, that reinforces the natural human xenophobic predispositions.

It's so easy to come up with bullshit, yet it takes time to debunk it.

Feeding disinformation to the public and then using their reaction to justify their reaction is circular. "I tell you, others in your group believe members of the other group are doing something wring. If enough of you believe what I told you, I'm not lying by definition, because now you do indeed believe that."

Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by sumedh »

0xfaded wrote: post #5
Closi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I'm not entirely sure it's consistent with the spirit of citizenship though, even if it's consistent with the governments messaging. What happens if peoples visas expire? What happens if people lose their job abroad? What happens if people's home life in Australia changes, and they have to go back to care for an elderly or ill relative? Or if your father dies and someone needs to care for your mum? "Tough shit, y…

I see your points, especially with the conflict if citizenship. There will be an obligation on the government to come up with a solution, but that requires at least a small period of time for planning. I could see an island quarantine facility being established.

> but that requires at least a small period of time for planning.

Wasnt 2020 enough for the planning, how much time do you need?

Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by sumedh »

fpig wrote: post #13
Closi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I'm not entirely sure it's consistent with the spirit of citizenship though, even if it's consistent with the governments messaging. What happens if peoples visas expire? What happens if people lose their job abroad? What happens if people's home life in Australia changes, and they have to go back to care for an elderly or ill relative? Or if your father dies and someone needs to care for your mum? "Tough shit, y…

How is this even an issue? I just can’t imagine many Australians going to India to work since it’s a much poorer country. Like, it’s hard for me to believe there’s more than 100 Australians who did that. And they can easily quarantine that many people. The article makes it sound like it’s a huge number of people they’d need to build facilities for which seems super strange.

There are Australia permanent residents as well.

Re: Fines up to $66k or five years prison for Australians returning home from India

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Post by tinus_hn »

0xfaded wrote: post #2

I'm an Australian living abroad, and from my perspective this is consistent with the government's messaging from the beginning: "come home now or be prepared to stay were you are for an extended period of time." Unfortunate as it is, Australians were told to make a decision early last year. It's ultimately unfair to other Australians who have made sacrifices to keep Australia effectively Covid free if others who deci…

All very understandable but international law clearly states that you can’t prevent your own citizens from entering your country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

If Australia wants to implement quarantines, fine. If Australia wants to appear tough and make an example of people by denying them their rights, not fine.

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Post by [deleted] »

tinus_hn wrote: post #17
0xfaded wrote: post #2

I'm an Australian living abroad, and from my perspective this is consistent with the government's messaging from the beginning: "come home now or be prepared to stay were you are for an extended period of time." Unfortunate as it is, Australians were told to make a decision early last year. It's ultimately unfair to other Australians who have made sacrifices to keep Australia effectively Covid free if others who deci…

All very understandable but international law clearly states that you can’t prevent your own citizens from entering your country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return If Australia wants to implement quarantines, fine. If Australia wants to appear tough and make an example of people by denying them their rights, not fine.

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