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Google's push to bring employees back to offices, some say they'll rather quit

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> "Right now I'm managing people in 8 cities spread across 5 time zones. What possible reason do I have to be in an office?" taking a step back, this is such a broken way of running a department. How did we get here?

> taking a step back, this is such a broken way of running a department. Why?

+1 - it's often best to organize "knowledge workers" by function/capability/project rather than geography/culture/etc.

(I've been managed distributed teams for 25yrs)

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It seems to me a big divide in this question is people who derive a sense of identity/value/community from their workplace and those who view it in a more utilitarian light. For me I much prefer WFH but I also have 3 kids and a wife that I'd rather spend time with than any of my co-workers; however when I was younger I enjoyed associating with my co-workers because I didn't have as much other social connection.

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What people say they will do when there's no cost associated with an action and what people will actually do once a cost IS associated with the same action are frequently 2 different things.

Bob Lutz, in his self-aggrandizing book "Gutz", describes the initial phase of an automobile design project where a survey is conducted asking respondents whether they would prefer a vehicle with heated cupholders. It turned out the percentage of people who responded positively was significantly higher than the percentage of people who ultimately chose to pay for the option in actual sales.

I wonder if a similar effect will be seen regarding people returning to work.

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> "Right now I'm managing people in 8 cities spread across 5 time zones. What possible reason do I have to be in an office?" taking a step back, this is such a broken way of running a department. How did we get here?

Most major corporations have teams of mixed offshore and onshore developers. If it was okay to have the offshore part of the team working from outside the office before the pandemic, I don't see why onshore developers wouldn't deserve the same treatment now.

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It seems strange that Google management would push so hard on this. Nearly everyone I've spoken to has reported that WFH productivity has been equal, if not better than pre-pandemic. What possible upside could there be that justifies forcing the issue and hurting morale by pissing so many people off? Sure, maybe there's an argument that a fully remote company has a hard time propagating a coherent corporate culture.…

> Nearly everyone I've spoken to has reported that WFH productivity has been equal, if not better than pre-pandemic.

Certainly not the case for everyone. Many people are struggling to be productive at home, alone. Jobs that require more coordination are also at risk of slowing down.

WFH is great for some, but it’s not a panacea.

Re: Google's push to bring employees back to offices, some say they'll rather quit

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What people say they will do when there's no cost associated with an action and what people will actually do once a cost IS associated with the same action are frequently 2 different things. Bob Lutz, in his self-aggrandizing book "Gutz", describes the initial phase of an automobile design project where a survey is conducted asking respondents whether they would prefer a vehicle with heated cupholders. It turned out…

WTF do I want a heated cupholder? It'll melt my ice.

Re: Google's push to bring employees back to offices, some say they'll rather quit

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What people say they will do when there's no cost associated with an action and what people will actually do once a cost IS associated with the same action are frequently 2 different things. Bob Lutz, in his self-aggrandizing book "Gutz", describes the initial phase of an automobile design project where a survey is conducted asking respondents whether they would prefer a vehicle with heated cupholders. It turned out…

My situtation is slightly different than the Google one, but I've already resolved if my employer makes me come back into the office with a full-time commute, I'm going to start looking for a different job right away.

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> "Right now I'm managing people in 8 cities spread across 5 time zones. What possible reason do I have to be in an office?" taking a step back, this is such a broken way of running a department. How did we get here?

> taking a step back, this is such a broken way of running a department. Why?

I (in the CEST time zone) am currently collaborating with a colleague who lives in Australia, because academics often don't get to choose where they end up.

Its a fucking mess, most of the time its ok, we can meet in the early morning here which is late at night there and do most work offline, but when deadlines are looming or issues crop and we have to talk back and forth over stuff urgently it basically cuts the useful time in the day down to like 3 hours at most, and even that results in at least one of us working very unsociable hours.

Remote work I like, I'm very happy working from home and can do so fairly productively, but timezones are a big issue. My example is with two people working in two timezones, if you've got a bunch of people working in different timezones (the person above mentioned 5!) it can quickly become very messy.

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