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Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Aside: Kaspersky is a Russian company.

Dude, it is well known that US is the single most powerful cyber warfare practitioner. They even had a few very successful operations in Iran and may be in China and Russia (you can guarantee that those countries won't disclose the incidents).

TBH, one should be happy that US possess such power. US might be biased, but the country is at least rational.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

One reason would be the capability. There's no doubt that there are US citizens able to produce complex software including malware. Same could be said about China or Russia. But when it comes to North Korea, I really have doubts about their IT competence. Sure, they probably have some good programmers able to create ordinary IT systems. But working on edge of current technologies - that's what I have my doubts about.

Their biggest trading partner uses them as an attack dog to do the things they don't want to be directly associated with. It isn't unreasonable that it was given to them.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

One reason would be the capability. There's no doubt that there are US citizens able to produce complex software including malware. Same could be said about China or Russia. But when it comes to North Korea, I really have doubts about their IT competence. Sure, they probably have some good programmers able to create ordinary IT systems. But working on edge of current technologies - that's what I have my doubts about.

Well, by comparison, Iran is very competent at cyber but they keep getting their uranium centrifuges hacked. North Korea, on the other hand, already didn't get hacked, and built the bomb.

They have a lot less money than South Korea, and their political system is...what it is...but I don't see any reason a North Korean can't study just as hard as a South Korean and achieve similar results.

I think people confuse North Korea's suffering with weakness. I'll grant that there is a lot of hunger, but the mission from the beginning, of the guerrilla fighters who now run the country, was sovereignty at all costs. And I'd say purely in terms of sovereignty North Korea is doing remarkably well.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason would be the capability. There's no doubt that there are US citizens able to produce complex software including malware. Same could be said about China or Russia. But when it comes to North Korea, I really have doubts about their IT competence. Sure, they probably have some good programmers able to create ordinary IT systems. But working on edge of current technologies - that's what I have my doubts about.

Well, by comparison, Iran is very competent at cyber but they keep getting their uranium centrifuges hacked. North Korea, on the other hand, already didn't get hacked, and built the bomb. They have a lot less money than South Korea, and their political system is...what it is...but I don't see any reason a North Korean can't study just as hard as a South Korean and achieve similar results. I think people confuse North…

Iranian getting their centrifuges hacked probably has to do more with geography than cyber. Israel is a powerful ally. I would compare South Korea more to a US protected country than to an ally. Given the dynamics with China, the Asian region is "less controllable" than Persia.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason would be the capability. There's no doubt that there are US citizens able to produce complex software including malware. Same could be said about China or Russia. But when it comes to North Korea, I really have doubts about their IT competence. Sure, they probably have some good programmers able to create ordinary IT systems. But working on edge of current technologies - that's what I have my doubts about.

Their biggest trading partner uses them as an attack dog to do the things they don't want to be directly associated with. It isn't unreasonable that it was given to them.

If they can get fighter jets, tanks, and missiles from China and Russia, certainly they can get some malware.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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post #3

Aside: Kaspersky is a Russian company.

Not sure it's really meaningful to simply say they're a "Russian company". More specifically, they're a company that has been accused of cooperating with the FSB in attacks against the US government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_bans_and_allegations... Whatever the case, it's probably wise to take their statements with some skepticism of bias in this regard.

Or: "they're a company that has been accused without evidence of cooperating with the FSB in attacks against the US government by US entities aligned to the US-based actors that they have exposed".

FTFY.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

It's human nature to give things that fit your preconceived notions and biases the benefit of the doubt over those that don't, even when you're aware of this effect . The best we can do is try to be cognizant of it and be really self-critical about our knee-jerk reactions.

Assuming it was said by someone fin the USA, there's also utility in this framing. Remaining critical of your own government is pretty healthy for a democracy.
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