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Re: Changes at Basecamp

#11
Think we'll see a lot more companies coming out with statements like this.

Who wants their work slack to look like the worst parts of Twitter and Facebook? With employees cancelling each other and demanding they recognise various political points? Not me.

You can tell there have been a lot of difficult discussions with various employees behind the scenes. It's all a distraction.

Work should be about work.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

#12

> 1. No more societal and political discussions at Basecamp. Today's social and political waters are especially choppy. Sensitivities are at 11, and every discussion remotely related to politics, advocacy, or society at large quickly spins away from pleasant. You shouldn't have to wonder if staying out of it means you're complicit, or wading into it means you're a target. These are difficult enough waters to navigate…

The context is the same as many other companies - employee activists creating strife and division internally and causing other employees to feel uncomfortable.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

#13
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> No more paternalistic benefits. Cutting benefits and calling it a feature. Amazing. A lot of "work will set you free" vibes from this.

cutting benefits and paying out the cash value of them so you can decide what to do with it . i understand the objections to the other points in the post, but why do you present half the story on this one?

> paying out the cash value of them so you can decide what to do with it.

Doesn't this have tax implications? At least in my country, some types of benefits are income tax exempt.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

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post #11

Think we'll see a lot more companies coming out with statements like this. Who wants their work slack to look like the worst parts of Twitter and Facebook? With employees cancelling each other and demanding they recognise various political points? Not me. You can tell there have been a lot of difficult discussions with various employees behind the scenes. It's all a distraction. Work should be about work.

So? We are humans. We get distracted by a whole bunch of things that happen to us daily because, well, we're emotional creatures. When you are somewhere most of the day you end up being distracted by many other things than "just work". If you cut the politics then something else will keep our primordial animal minds busy.

A place where you have to only "be about work" is impossible to achieve. Even sweatshops in Bangladesh have unions and places where they can talk politics.

I would say a healthier choice for them would've been to cut out the people that were bullshitting and causing toxic environment. For sure those exist and should be spotted if they cause negativity at work.

Funny thing is that doing this top-down, as they are doing, is literally "cancel culture".

Re: Changes at Basecamp

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post #13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cutting benefits and paying out the cash value of them so you can decide what to do with it . i understand the objections to the other points in the post, but why do you present half the story on this one?

> paying out the cash value of them so you can decide what to do with it. Doesn't this have tax implications? At least in my country, some types of benefits are income tax exempt.

thats a fair point. no idea if its possible perhaps they could classify it as a lump sum tax exempt benefit rather than a categorical reimbursement based one that mostly goes unused.

still even with a 40% tax hit - i'd take a "cash benefit" over the piles of benefits i know i'm not using.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

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post #15
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> paying out the cash value of them so you can decide what to do with it. Doesn't this have tax implications? At least in my country, some types of benefits are income tax exempt.

thats a fair point. no idea if its possible perhaps they could classify it as a lump sum tax exempt benefit rather than a categorical reimbursement based one that mostly goes unused. still even with a 40% tax hit - i'd take a "cash benefit" over the piles of benefits i know i'm not using.

That wouldn't work for US employees. Any benefits other than very specific allowed categories are taxable income. The wellness benefit, CSA share, etc are already taxable.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

#17
post #12

> 1. No more societal and political discussions at Basecamp. Today's social and political waters are especially choppy. Sensitivities are at 11, and every discussion remotely related to politics, advocacy, or society at large quickly spins away from pleasant. You shouldn't have to wonder if staying out of it means you're complicit, or wading into it means you're a target. These are difficult enough waters to navigate…

The context is the same as many other companies - employee activists creating strife and division internally and causing other employees to feel uncomfortable.

Shutting down all discussion of things that affect their employees is an extreme overreaction.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

#19
Must be such a relief for them that "project management, team communication, and email software" don’t touch at all on social or political issues, in any ways that their staff might want to discuss.

Re: Changes at Basecamp

#20
post #11

Think we'll see a lot more companies coming out with statements like this. Who wants their work slack to look like the worst parts of Twitter and Facebook? With employees cancelling each other and demanding they recognise various political points? Not me. You can tell there have been a lot of difficult discussions with various employees behind the scenes. It's all a distraction. Work should be about work.

With employees cancelling each other

Can you explain what this means without using the word "cancel"?

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