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Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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There has been a lot of recent foreign criticism leveled at the Indian government regarding COVID, which seems like political opportunism. Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. Another article recently discussed on HN made clear that India enacted much more stringent mandates and containment procedures than the US eve…

Prime minister and home minister rallying crowds without masks, religious congregations surely had nothing to do with the spike coinciding with that timeline. 'Oh reality is more complicated' is as trite, as generic and as content free as one can get

Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare. What’s your causal evidence linking certain people or certain actions to what’s happening now, and how do you separate that from the advent of new variants, for example? Or as you put it: blaming the government or those events is as trite, as generic, and as content free as one can get.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prime minister and home minister rallying crowds without masks, religious congregations surely had nothing to do with the spike coinciding with that timeline. 'Oh reality is more complicated' is as trite, as generic and as content free as one can get

Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare. What’s your causal evidence linking certain people or certain actions to what’s happening now, and how do you separate that from the advent of new variants, for example? Or as you put it: blaming the government or those events is as trite, as generic, and as content free as one can get.

Crowds without mask don't transmit? Where have you been this past year!!!

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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> Twitter has stood its ground at times. It said in February that it wouldn't block activists, journalists and politicians in India. Those safeguards don't apply to others, though. Oh, where do you sign up to become an official activist so you’re afforded the right to express your opinion on Twitter?

There has been a lot of recent foreign criticism leveled at the Indian government regarding COVID, which seems like political opportunism. Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. Another article recently discussed on HN made clear that India enacted much more stringent mandates and containment procedures than the US eve…

> Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic.

No, not really.

The surge in covid-19 cases has been ongoing since late Feb/early March 2021.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004

Infection rates grew exponentially since.

Large political rallies and the government's decision to prematurely reopen everything against better judgement are known key factors in India's outbreak.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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> Twitter has stood its ground at times. It said in February that it wouldn't block activists, journalists and politicians in India. Those safeguards don't apply to others, though. Oh, where do you sign up to become an official activist so you’re afforded the right to express your opinion on Twitter?

There has been a lot of recent foreign criticism leveled at the Indian government regarding COVID, which seems like political opportunism. Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. Another article recently discussed on HN made clear that India enacted much more stringent mandates and containment procedures than the US eve…

This is far too biased. Not providing any info either. More victim complex for India.

Below you wrote: > Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare.

Which is demonstrably not true. You were responding to people in close proximity for long periods of time outside.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prime minister and home minister rallying crowds without masks, religious congregations surely had nothing to do with the spike coinciding with that timeline. 'Oh reality is more complicated' is as trite, as generic and as content free as one can get

Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare. What’s your causal evidence linking certain people or certain actions to what’s happening now, and how do you separate that from the advent of new variants, for example? Or as you put it: blaming the government or those events is as trite, as generic, and as content free as one can get.

> Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare.

No, not really. Transmission rates while outdoors are only low if you comply with requirements such as ensuring you always stay at least 2 meters away from everyone and don't interact with people. Hence the importance of mask, sanitize surfaces, and preserve social distancing.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a lot of recent foreign criticism leveled at the Indian government regarding COVID, which seems like political opportunism. Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. Another article recently discussed on HN made clear that India enacted much more stringent mandates and containment procedures than the US eve…

> Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. No, not really. The surge in covid-19 cases has been ongoing since late Feb/early March 2021. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004 Infection rates grew exponentially since. Large political rallies and the government's decision to prematurely reopen everything again…

> No, not really.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began. On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and different pattern. The new spike did not reach prior peaks until early April, which was an unexpectedly fast and unprecedented pace of growth.

> Large political rallies and the government's decision to prematurely reopen everything against better judgement are known key factors in India's outbreak

I’m not sure if you’re familiar with India’s pandemic plan, but they didn’t “reopen everything”, and you should be careful to avoid absolute statements like this which aren’t based on facts. It’s also not possible to describe India’s policy in such a monolithic way since each state has authority to impose its own mandates. That said, after the very harsh initial restrictions, India’s strategy has been less focused on what’s open/unopened and more focused on localized containment, which was highly successful in 2020. Lastly keep in mind that as a democracy, the federal government of India can’t enact arbitrary restrictions. It has to function within the confines of the legal system, political norms, and so on.

I would also caution pointing at political rallies as “known key factors” just because news articles or social media are speculating about it - this is not the same as causal evidence. The best written articles on the India spike (https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19s-ground-zero-shifts-to...) are careful to not decisively blame any one factor. Before the surge, mobility was up generally in the country, independent of elections. The emphasis on elections and rallies, which are only taking place in a few states (this isn’t a general election year), seem to be politically motivated more than anything. As I said earlier other factors like the advent of new variants need to be studied more. The WSJ notes:

> In­dian sci­en­tists said there hasn’t been enough test­ing to mea­sure which vari­ants are pow­er­ing the surge, but the ac­cel­er­at­ing rate of the spread of in­fec­tions sug­gests a more vi­ral form is spread­ing across the coun­try.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. No, not really. The surge in covid-19 cases has been ongoing since late Feb/early March 2021. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004 Infection rates grew exponentially since. Large political rallies and the government's decision to prematurely reopen everything again…

> No, not really. I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began . On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and diffe…

Yeah right some folks are still dragging their feet about lack of convincing causal evidence that smoking increases lung cancer risk. An Upton Sinclair quote comes to the mind.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. No, not really. The surge in covid-19 cases has been ongoing since late Feb/early March 2021. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004 Infection rates grew exponentially since. Large political rallies and the government's decision to prematurely reopen everything again…

> No, not really. I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began . On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and diffe…

> (...) The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago.

Please don't try to gaslight. I've refuted your baseless assertion that everything was all fine and dandy in India regarding it's struggle with the covid-19 pandemic in Feb/March. I've provided a reputable reference from that time that already showed great concern about the pending disaster, and even enumerates key factors that drove India's covid-19 infections absurd growth.

Either you deal with reality and facts, or refrain from posting disinformation and outright lies.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, not really. I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began . On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and diffe…

> (...) The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. Please don't try to gaslight. I've refuted your baseless assertion that everything was all fine and dandy in India regarding it's struggle with the covid-19 pandemic in Feb/March. I've provided a reputable reference from that time that already showed great concern a…

> Either you deal with reality and facts, or refrain from posting disinformation and outright lies.

You ask for too much sir (or ma'm)

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