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Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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What left a bad taste in my mouth is any quota increase getting rejected unless you got on a phone call with sales and listened to an upsell speech. I'm trying to give you money and you're putting roadblocks in front of me.

My experience has been very different: I update the quota in the console and it's approved very quickly.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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post #11
post #2

What left a bad taste in my mouth is any quota increase getting rejected unless you got on a phone call with sales and listened to an upsell speech. I'm trying to give you money and you're putting roadblocks in front of me.

My experience has been very different: I update the quota in the console and it's approved very quickly.

I had it happen three times on the same account including a hidden quota that the UI didn't even list. Sales person said that it might get better if we moved to invoice billing instead of a credit card (why?). After that I just gave up and moved back to AWS.

edit: It's also not a new account, very consistently paying for some services (maps, etc.) for years before I decided to ramp up.

edit2: It was also a tiny quota increase from the default one so not like we suddenly asked for five hundred instances.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I don't know, seems to be mostly filled with speculation and anecdotes. I can find similar anecdotes of bad behavior by Amzon, for example claims of using AWS to steal its users' business ideas[1]. Admittedly, the original author's title of "Why I distrust Google Cloud more than AWS or Azure" much better describes their position than the editorialized title of the HN submitter ("Why Google Cloud is less trustworthy t…

> Admittedly, the original author's title of "Why I distrust Google Cloud more than AWS or Azure" much better describes their position than the editorialized title of the HN submitter ("Why Google Cloud is less trustworthy than AWS or Azure").

Agreed. What is with the retitling?

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I'm not sure what the author (or Yegge, for that matter) expect a good timeframe to be for deprecating services.

Anecdotally, Google announced the changeover of Cloud logging API versions in October of 2016, with a 5-month ramp (October to March) to switch from the v1 beta API to the v2 beta API. Five months is nearly two quarters, which is quite a long window for a beta API IMHO.

That having been said, Google's habit of leaving things that are pretty much mission-critical in beta is unwise, but it should be unwise for them, not end-users. End-users that need reliability and low churn shouldn't be developing on beta-anything.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Seems pretty thin. A handful of price hikes that made the news is not something that would bother an ordinary company. Maybe a little mom and pop that's running on tight margins, but they would be better served by squarespace anyway. Everyone in business understands that sometimes you raise prices.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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The only reason I didn't try Google cloud is payment. I can't even run a couple of VM, some test db without using the credit card. This means that if someone hacks me, if the documentation isn't clear enough or if I make a mistake I will fully pay for it (and immediately). This is incredibly haunting for beginners and people that cannot afford such scenarios.

With AWS at least I can use a prepaid card: if something bad happens for any reason, at least I know I can afford to eat the day after.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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has GCP cancelled products? Or is that just Google

Google cancels products so frequently that no matter now cool it may seem I rarely even bother checking them out - I can't stand becoming reliant and then having the rug pulled out from under me

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Honestly the list hilariously long!

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I'm one of those "you'll get my baremetal and systemd out of my dead cold hands", kind of guy.

But I have reasonable exposure to both AWS and GC and I can say that, by far, Google Cloud is easier to reason about. As a consequence, it's much harder to misconfigure. The 2 large AWS deploys I've seen have, at best, had billing issues no one really understood (incl AWS), and at worse, security issues.

Complaining that maps prices went up re Cloud Hosting is, to me, like complaining that Amazon raised the price of the Kindle, e.g., not particularly relevant.

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