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Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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Unlike Uber, Google has proactively taken steps to ensure contractors are not able to be considered employees. If Google wants to use contractors, for one reason or another, lawyers have told them they need to take these sort of steps.

This whole article is basically complaining that being a contractor sucks because the law forces Google to follow these sorts of practices, but then blames Google for following these sorts of practices.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

#12
> Love the good pay.

> It pays relatively well ($15 per hour for most contract workers).

How is that relatively well? Compared to McDonald's employees, probably. Compared to other actual technical jobs, like electrician, I can't imagine. Compared to Google devs, not at all.

Working 40 hours a week with no vacation that's about 31k. Being a contractor means no sick leave, vacation days, pension, insurance, etc.

The US is such an odd country.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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>Contractors love the good pay and engaging work in Google's data centers. They resent that Google and its staffing firm, Modis Engineering, make them quit every two years.

>[...] But those two-year contracts are written in stone. Workers like Wait are not usually allowed to apply either to renew their contracts or to do the same job as a Google employee. If they want to keep working in the same job, they have to leave the data center for six months and then come back and apply again — but neither Google nor Modis will tell workers why.

>[...] Google likely requires the six-month leave due to federal employment law, Barbara Figari, an employment attorney in California, told Protocol.

Yes. All companies got rattled by Microsoft losing their lawsuit with permatemp contractors in 2000: https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+contractors+lawsui...

Before the Microsoft settlement, I was able to sell my services directly to the client company as a 1099 freelance contractor because I did not want to be an employee. But after that, all companies got paranoid about contractors and I then had to go through a middleman bodyshop as a "fake" W-2 employee. The programming bodyshop then skims a fee from my hourly rate to provide a "lawsuit shield" for the client that wants to pay for my services.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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post #12

> Love the good pay. > It pays relatively well ($15 per hour for most contract workers). How is that relatively well? Compared to McDonald's employees, probably. Compared to other actual technical jobs, like electrician, I can't imagine. Compared to Google devs, not at all. Working 40 hours a week with no vacation that's about 31k. Being a contractor means no sick leave, vacation days, pension, insurance, etc. The US…

> Compared to other actual technical jobs, like electrician,

FWIW, these people seem to be people who otherwise have no skilled work experience.

To compare I’ve seen electrician apprenticeships paying less than that.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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Aren’t data center employees crucial as they are making sure your services are running perfectly even in an event of emergency. Why not hire them and pay them better wages

> Why not hire them and pay them better wages

You would have to search a lot to find any big, international conglomerates with shareholders who would willingly pay higher wages for workers without a fight.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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post #12

> Love the good pay. > It pays relatively well ($15 per hour for most contract workers). How is that relatively well? Compared to McDonald's employees, probably. Compared to other actual technical jobs, like electrician, I can't imagine. Compared to Google devs, not at all. Working 40 hours a week with no vacation that's about 31k. Being a contractor means no sick leave, vacation days, pension, insurance, etc. The US…

So in the context of this article, contract means that Google hires a company (Modis) for specific work, and Modis hires workers who Google considers to be from the contract company. Modis workers get benefits (healthcare, retirement, vacation) from Modis if they are eligible based on Modis's policies and if they're full time. This is different than an independent contractor, who would have to self fund all benefits.

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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Unlike Uber, Google has proactively taken steps to ensure contractors are not able to be considered employees. If Google wants to use contractors, for one reason or another, lawyers have told them they need to take these sort of steps. This whole article is basically complaining that being a contractor sucks because the law forces Google to follow these sorts of practices, but then blames Google for following these s…

That’s cause they were sued and lost.

Google then added trainings to avoid future issues. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/11/google-tv...

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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Unlike Uber, Google has proactively taken steps to ensure contractors are not able to be considered employees. If Google wants to use contractors, for one reason or another, lawyers have told them they need to take these sort of steps. This whole article is basically complaining that being a contractor sucks because the law forces Google to follow these sorts of practices, but then blames Google for following these s…

The law forces google to choose contractors instead of hiring employees?

Re: Forced unemployment and second-class status: Google's data center contractors

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This is all due to Microsoft contractors (who were treated like regular employees in the 80s and 90s) winning a lawsuit that retroactively forced Microsoft to give them a ton of stock.

Companies now have to be rude to contractors to avoid a similar lawsuit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/business/technology-temp-...

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