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Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

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Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

#11
The problem is regulatory restrictions, that since 2017, have been used to shut off capital flows to token sales.

Token sales were one of the most promising avenues toward the goal of widening the base of individuals that could participate as investors in the venture capital market:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11408-020-00366-0...

"The average ICO has almost 4700 contributors. The median contributor invests a relatively small amount. The ICO market appears to have successfully given access to the financing of innovation to a new class of investors, which is a long-standing public policy issue"

That being said, it's possible you could use the JOBS Act's provision for crowdsales to widen the base of individuals that could invest through your platform:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_Our_Business_Startup...

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

#12
1. It sounds like you're effectively making your own stock exchange, but with crypto instead of cash. I imagine the SEC will have many things to say about that. It could be legal, but you're not going to like the laws they'll make you follow.

2. In a real stock exchange, the company value is largely the volatile thing. In one backed with crypto, the price of a company will fluctuate more from the asset you're buying it with than the company's activity itself. If the price of bitcoin goes up, I own the same number of shares but worth fewer bitcoins. That seems like not what folks into crypto care about.

3. If a company puts all of its shares into this, it likely cannot ever ipo. That's going to turn off most investors. I would expect it's an all-in endeavor.

4. Companies accidentally losing their private key for unissued shares sounds like a very bad failure mode.

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

#14
1. Only Accredited investors can invest in private startups.

2. Equity crowdfunding is a way around 1. but only too restrictive- limited fundraising, more disclosure, and follow-on venture/ traditional funding hard to come by.

Above is US-centric view. Using crypto instead of fiat currency is not a workaround regulations and reputation.

But look at BlockFi, it might offer you insight into workaround using crypto to raise an Angel/VC fund from crypto millionaires.

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

#15
These do already exist and there are many of them already on both Ethereum and Binance Smart Contract networks. More will be coming with SORA/Polkadot and I suspect it won't be long before they are on Harmony, as well (basically any EVM compatible network will likely have these).

I'm not sure exactly on the terminology, but essentially most large DEXes (Decentralized Exchanges) will typically get involved in funding new coins. Typically what happens is a DEX will (either through governance of via the DEX developers) offer to "host" a new coin in their liquidity pools on the DEX, and boost that coin by incentivising users with additional rewards for proving liquidity (typically in the form of tokens for that given startup). These incentivised liquidity pools are called "farms" and launching a crypto startup in this way is typically called a "Initial Farm Offering" or "IFO".

There are also more projects on the horizon that aim to further this idea of providing liquidity to developers in exchange for coins.

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

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post #14

1. Only Accredited investors can invest in private startups. 2. Equity crowdfunding is a way around 1. but only too restrictive- limited fundraising, more disclosure, and follow-on venture/ traditional funding hard to come by. Above is US-centric view. Using crypto instead of fiat currency is not a workaround regulations and reputation. But look at BlockFi, it might offer you insight into workaround using crypto to r…

Just checked BlockFi, but it is only about interest. How could it be used to raise a fund?

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

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post #14

1. Only Accredited investors can invest in private startups. 2. Equity crowdfunding is a way around 1. but only too restrictive- limited fundraising, more disclosure, and follow-on venture/ traditional funding hard to come by. Above is US-centric view. Using crypto instead of fiat currency is not a workaround regulations and reputation. But look at BlockFi, it might offer you insight into workaround using crypto to r…

Just checked BlockFi, but it is only about interest. How could it be used to raise a fund?

Look at BlockFi from end to end not what it offers to crypto holders only. Return in the form of interest to crypto holders in return for lending the value of those crypto to borrowers and earning interest from them.

Offer crypto holders chance to be part of new crypto startups (people who made money through crypto want to pay forward to the crypto ecosystem) and fiscally disadvantaged/ sustainability people/ project (WSB ape story) without requiring them to sell their cryptos.

Edit: Also, I don't have all the answers, if I did, I would be executing the idea instead of talking about it on a forum. My reason to share is two folds:

1. I am aware of several crypto-lending startups prior to BlockFi that failed. BlockFi founders are geniuses to figure out a structure that works beautifully. By sharing, I am just exploring where else the similar structure could potentially work.

2. Sharing such ideas exposes me to potentially complementary-minded people who might have answers, I may not have, and explore pros and cons that I may not have considered. You never know who comes along in future endeavors.

Re: Tell me why my Crypto Startup idea won't work

#20
> Everyone here loves crypto (and have some) and loves startups too.

Not true at all, many here on HN are openly hostile towards it because they dismissed it at the time while others were made obscenely wealthy. Whether they own some is probably true, though.

> I want to create a coinbase for startup equity. Translation :you invest small sums of your cryptos in a startup of your choise.

First, you don't want to be the 'Coinbase' of anything... Really, its a horrible company run by what seem like the most incompetent staff they pouched from MtGox and I squarely blame YC and tyical SV insider tactics for what it's doing.

With that said: it's a cool idea that many of us have had throughout the years since Mike Hearn wasted funds on Lighthouse and pretty much abandoned a mediocre solution to a pressing problem and left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth about such a thing.

> Persuade me that it won't work with arguments based on 1-3.

Preface, I've been in the community since Satoshi was still on BTF: it's not that it won't work, in fact things like Pineapple Fund, Sean's Outpost/Satoshi Forest shows that many of us in the Bitcoin community are incredibly generous (with time and money) and want to use this tech to solve many problems that Megacorps profess to care about and want to solve, but amounts to merely fluff to sell to their PR departments.

1: Some of have tried, but nothing worth talking about since Lighthouse.

Boost VC is probably the closest thing I can think of, and their are other incubators that are open to Crypto based projects (I pitched at a meetup in Boulder and a person from Techstars followed up).

2: It's tricky, but if you remain in Bitcoin-only ecosystem their are few to no regulations or bylaws depending on where you operate from--this is a feature, not a bug. But this opens the need for arbiters and custodianship, which is frowned upon since this is supposed to be a trust less based system, but really that is what things like multi-sig escrow and smart contract oracles are for.

Reputation matters in Bitcoin, and contributors like Andreas who have made Bitcoin their life's work with little to no compensation were later rewarded by the community--and he deserved it!

Bitcoiners, the early adopters more so, are seriously the most paranoid people in the tech World outside of say whistle blowers working for Intelligence firms in my opinion--and some like Reality Winner really didn't do a good enough job to be on par with someone who sent $50 to a DNM back in the early days.

3: Many issues here, to many to outline them all.

But as mentioned before its creating a trustless transparent system; which will be your biggest hurdle since I'm guessing you don't have any credibility in this ecosystem either.

Second, what is the ROI on this, otherwise what you are trying to create is just a charity with no real sustainable growth model. Even Non-profit/NGO often have some outside funding from a foundation or a vested party interested in maintaining it's existence. Think about who would want you to stay alive and work back from that.

The newest wave of Bitcoiners since 2017 (2013 really) are the money-centric ones that likely won't fund any of the projects like that I mentioned before to help causes.

Personally speaking, I'm moving to more Bitcoin friendly countries/environments for this is exact reason. The US is stifling progress and other countries have a more favorable view on Bitcoiners and their businesses, so I'm off to greener pastures.

But, I need some time away from this Industry--I had my own fintech startup in BTC for ~5 years and disrupted an entrenched Industry in that time, and then got into the enterprise 'blockchain solutions' department for a Megacorp.

If you're looking for consultant I'd be willing to do that in the interim, but if you give me 6-12 months I could join the team and do some legwork as I could probably be of more use then and tell you where/how to incorporate and what are potential strategies for not just taxes but also securing your streams of revenue etc...

Do you have a Github or any portfolio of past projects? Your post history doesn't seem to reveal much other than a job posting for a freelancer.

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