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New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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The one who devises a method to keep crypto people busy without them having negative effects on the real world might get the Nobel Peace Prize - or rather the Economics one? Maybe both - to express our deepest gratitude?

Proof of stake is already in production.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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Kind of curious how you can actually ensure they actually have that unused space available. The article said it had to be empty.. couldn't someone just write their own disk driver that lies about the size of the drive?

it probably writes and MD5's a giant sparse file with some salt lightly scattered throughout it in order to force allocation of the space or fail hash test.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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I would assume current SSD shortages are more related to global chip shortages and increased demand than a speculative cryptocurrency that hasn't even fully launched yet.

Browsing the Chia FAQ, it looks like the Chia organization is busy pre-farming Chia coins for themselves with plans to loan them to companies to use:

> Why are we pre-farming?

> Chia has a novel business model to both, lower volatility of the coin and increase adoption. By loaning Chia and managing the interest rates of those loans as well as other tools like buying our stock with chia coins, we hope to lower the quarter to quarter volatility of the coin. To drive adoption, we intend to loan Chia to Global 5000 companies who will use it to pay their international vendors quickly, less expensively, and more securely.

This idea that companies will need to borrow a volatile currency to get payments done faster feels like a joke. Why must every fast payment scheme use arbitrary tokens with floating exchange rate instead of simply tapping into existing banking systems and representing existing currency holdings? No serious business wants to put a volatile cryptocurrency on their books just to transact a tiny bit faster.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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Getting really fucking tired of these ponzi schemes creating massive collateral damages. Can the "industry" just move on to proof of stake and contain their damages to themselves?

Proof of stake is an oligarchy. The only proof-of-X that works is if X guarantees one person has the same voting power as another person. Finding X is currently an unsolved problem in mathematics and computer science. No cryptocurrency does this.

this is actually impossible because all cryptocurrencies necessarily start out maximally centralized, and "decentralize" gradually through the distribution model.

the problem is that this creates at best a concentric circular pattern of ownership (and thus leverage over liquidity), even if everyone involved is completely honest and ownership is 100% transparent. in reality it's far worse than that because pseudo anonymous address ownership means claims of "fair distribution" cannot be trusted let alone proven.

decentralization is a mirage.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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Getting really fucking tired of these ponzi schemes creating massive collateral damages. Can the "industry" just move on to proof of stake and contain their damages to themselves?

Proof of stake is an oligarchy. The only proof-of-X that works is if X guarantees one person has the same voting power as another person. Finding X is currently an unsolved problem in mathematics and computer science. No cryptocurrency does this.

Everything is equivalent to proof-of-stake plus overhead. If you have the stake, you can show it in proof-of-stake, or you can buy mining hardware and burn electricity in POW, or you can buy storage and prove it via "plotting" (in Chia) in proof-of-capacity. Two of these require you to exchange stake for something else that you then dedicate to the system. Unless there's something in the protocol unique to non-proof-of-stake then it's comparatively wasteful.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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Kind of curious how you can actually ensure they actually have that unused space available. The article said it had to be empty.. couldn't someone just write their own disk driver that lies about the size of the drive?

Chia doesn't rely on empty space; it fills the space with useless data.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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post #4

Getting really fucking tired of these ponzi schemes creating massive collateral damages. Can the "industry" just move on to proof of stake and contain their damages to themselves?

Proof of stake is an oligarchy. The only proof-of-X that works is if X guarantees one person has the same voting power as another person. Finding X is currently an unsolved problem in mathematics and computer science. No cryptocurrency does this.

But any variant of proof-of-you-can-afford-to-buy-tons-of-expensive-hardware is just oligarchy with additional, economy and environment damaging, steps. PoS at least takes out the middlemen and lets you run your "crypto" "currency" without collateral damage while you figure out something better.

Re: New cryptocurrency could potentially cause an SSD or hard drive shortage

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I would assume current SSD shortages are more related to global chip shortages and increased demand than a speculative cryptocurrency that hasn't even fully launched yet. Browsing the Chia FAQ, it looks like the Chia organization is busy pre-farming Chia coins for themselves with plans to loan them to companies to use: > Why are we pre-farming? > Chia has a novel business model to both, lower volatility of the coin a…

Yeah, wow, whitepaper expects their reserve matched by other farmers only after 21 years of Chia mining/plotting.

I see Bram Cohen got the original authors of "proof of space" or whatever this is to author papers with him, and also got inflationary pressure in there, but if that's the extent of research, well, that's still not how the economy works. At least ransomware gangs won't switch from encrypting to deleting stuff altogether for space.

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