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Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Last I was there, you couldn't take parental leave your first year. Sad.

I worked for an organization in a salaried position that had a waiting period for getting health benefits at all. And it was itself a healthcare organization. I also remember that you couldn't get FMLA leave before a certain amount of time passed. Which is why I left, because stuff happened shortly after I was hired and they wouldn't bend the rules.

FMLA leave is governed by law. You’re not eligible until 1-year

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Funny, it never occurred to me that you'd get to continue vesting while not working (I have no idea the policies at my current or former employers).

I get that people respond emotionally to these things and just go with "Amazon bad, mothers good", but this policy just seems... obvious?

If it cancelled or reset to zero that would seem harsh and not in line with norms, but a policy of "you vest for each month you work" feels perfectly fair and reasonable to all employees.

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

#13

Funny, it never occurred to me that you'd get to continue vesting while not working (I have no idea the policies at my current or former employers). I get that people respond emotionally to these things and just go with "Amazon bad, mothers good", but this policy just seems... obvious? If it cancelled or reset to zero that would seem harsh and not in line with norms, but a policy of "you vest for each month you work"…

I can see your point, however if vesting is a form of compensation, it seems reasonable that this form of compensation would continue with other forms such as healthcare insurance and salary.

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for an organization in a salaried position that had a waiting period for getting health benefits at all. And it was itself a healthcare organization. I also remember that you couldn't get FMLA leave before a certain amount of time passed. Which is why I left, because stuff happened shortly after I was hired and they wouldn't bend the rules.

FMLA leave is governed by law. You’re not eligible until 1-year

i guess he left the country

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for an organization in a salaried position that had a waiting period for getting health benefits at all. And it was itself a healthcare organization. I also remember that you couldn't get FMLA leave before a certain amount of time passed. Which is why I left, because stuff happened shortly after I was hired and they wouldn't bend the rules.

FMLA leave is governed by law. You’re not eligible until 1-year

There's no law that forbids you from giving someone time off without pay within that first year if you want to.

It's like when you get a privacy disclosure in the mail and it says "you can't limit the sharing of because the law doesn't give you the right".

It's an excuse, not a reason.

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FMLA leave is governed by law. You’re not eligible until 1-year

There's no law that forbids you from giving someone time off without pay within that first year if you want to. It's like when you get a privacy disclosure in the mail and it says "you can't limit the sharing of because the law doesn't give you the right". It's an excuse, not a reason.

But you specified they wouldn't give you FMLA leave, not unpaid leave. If that's how you requested it, then they wouldn't be able to give you that, due to FMLA itself.

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no law that forbids you from giving someone time off without pay within that first year if you want to. It's like when you get a privacy disclosure in the mail and it says "you can't limit the sharing of because the law doesn't give you the right". It's an excuse, not a reason.

But you specified they wouldn't give you FMLA leave, not unpaid leave. If that's how you requested it, then they wouldn't be able to give you that, due to FMLA itself.

Well, my boss encouraged me to apply anyway. I am sure he was not so obtuse as not to understand what I needed, and when I gave notice it didn't come as a shock.

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Funny, it never occurred to me that you'd get to continue vesting while not working (I have no idea the policies at my current or former employers). I get that people respond emotionally to these things and just go with "Amazon bad, mothers good", but this policy just seems... obvious? If it cancelled or reset to zero that would seem harsh and not in line with norms, but a policy of "you vest for each month you work"…

I can see your point, however if vesting is a form of compensation, it seems reasonable that this form of compensation would continue with other forms such as healthcare insurance and salary.

How about promotions? Would you expect to be promoted up the corporate ladder while on extended leave?

Re: Amazon pauses vesting when you’re on medical or parental leave

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Funny, it never occurred to me that you'd get to continue vesting while not working (I have no idea the policies at my current or former employers). I get that people respond emotionally to these things and just go with "Amazon bad, mothers good", but this policy just seems... obvious? If it cancelled or reset to zero that would seem harsh and not in line with norms, but a policy of "you vest for each month you work"…

The whole point of paid parental leave is that employees continue receiving a salary (and health insurance, 401k matching, etc). Logically one would expect that stock grants would vest during this time period too. Anything else unfairly penalizes new parents.
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