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Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by da_big_ghey »

dandanua wrote: post #7
apples_oranges wrote: post #4

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.

You have overestimate that there is no overthrow of these. Geurilla war in Vietnam, Midle East, other have been fight best militarys with succeeding. But here we also have reason why we are needing for to keep gun rights, and for to end existing infringment (e.g. no restricting on automatics).

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by extradesgo »

throwaway29303 wrote: post #6
apples_oranges wrote: post #4

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

You're right but ironically the very same people that are now complaining about these measures were the same that enabled it in the first place. All for the sake of convenience. Pandora's jar was opened and there's really no way in sight to put its filth back and close it for good. And one of the worst parts is when this information can be used by people (nations, criminals, etc) for any reason.

>”the very same people that are now complaining about these measures were the same that enabled it in the first place”

Wage workers? No. That’s just false. I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to say but it’s wrong. This is just another appearance of the same class warfare that drives slavery. Working people didn’t ask for this any more than slaves asked for slavery.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by mustafa_pasi »

trident5000 wrote: post #5
apples_oranges wrote: post #4

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

What does blockchain have to do with literally anything pertaining to this article.

The whole crypto space is about replacing trust-based systems with trust-less systems.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by dvdkhlng »

cedricgle wrote: post #9

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

You can get this sort of satisfaction for much less money. Try a Volla phone [1] or a KaiOS based phone [2]. That's always funny when some services assume that just having an iOS or Android App (and no equivalent web-page) is enough to cater to everyone.

Especially in the corona-virus crisis it will prove interesting whether some mandated "contact tracing" or "vaccination pass" style Apps are going to effectively turn into an Android/iOS Smartphone requirement for everyday life.

In Germany it's e.g. already impossible to use the DHL parcel receival stations without Android/iOS. Loss of some ticket options for public transport also seems to be on the horizon. Also forget about car- and bike-sharing.

Also some banks try to force you to install their own proprietary TFA app for online payment (even if you just use your credit card in an online shop).

[1] https://volla.online/en/index.html

[2] https://sites.google.com/view/bananahackers/devices/nokia-81...

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by TheFattestNinja »

cedricgle wrote: post #9

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

They'd just force you to buy one (if evil) / issue a cheap one from company (if friendly).

Up to a couple of years ago I didn't have a (modern) smartphone, I had a Symbian Samsung and a LG Cookie. Had to upgrade because the canteen payment scrapped their "prepay credit" payment mechanism based on ID and would just take a live-generated-in-browser QR code instead. There was basically no cost to still support the old system but people like me are so few that it doesn't matter.

See also: covid contact tracing apps.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by gscott »

cedricgle wrote: post #9

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

You could turn off location... but I would keep my job by getting a 2nd phone just the app and hiding my 2nd phone in the janitors closet. Maybe I would get paid 24 hours a day!

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by trident5000 »

mustafa_pasi wrote: post #13
trident5000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does blockchain have to do with literally anything pertaining to this article.

The whole crypto space is about replacing trust-based systems with trust-less systems.

Who cares? Completing a trustless transaction is not parallel to someone tracking your physical location.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by iso1210 »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #11
dandanua wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.

You have overestimate that there is no overthrow of these. Geurilla war in Vietnam, Midle East, other have been fight best militarys with succeeding. But here we also have reason why we are needing for to keep gun rights, and for to end existing infringment (e.g. no restricting on automatics).

Its a reason you need to keep the people in your military against the totalitarianists.

US police officers kill about 1000 people a year, guns don't seem to protect them.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by Gustomaximus »

I'm mixed on this. Sometimes this stuff is good for planning and productivity, but it's also so open to treat humans like animals e.g next they'll update motion detection to make sure they weren't still for more than 3 min and so on.

Government really needs to regulate this to find a balance between reasonable and not to protect those that don't have easy alternate employment options.

Also generally, if a company wants this they should supply the device and data. Otherwise they are offloading cost to workers.

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