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What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

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Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

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Post by nextparadigms »

madmaze wrote: post #4

If this becomes reality it will seriously set back the value of the internet, its freedom of speech and privacy. It doesnt matter that it is "just" one country. Its a western country and this mindset of censorship and control by such a government worries me. Alot.

This would set a very bad precedent indeed, as other countries will later point to France as an example of how it should be done.

Sarkozy wanted to get all the G8 countries on the same page, so they don't look out of place with their new censorship laws. That way if they all enforce the same kind of laws in the same time, they think people would just take it for granted that that's how it should be done, and that "if so many countries are doing it, then it probably makes sense".

People need to speak out against such measures and be very vocal about it. Fortunately, there are elections next spring in France, so I hope the French people will vote Sarkozy down over this, and put someone in his place that disagrees with such censorship.

Americans also have an election next year, and hopefully they'll do the same (Ron Paul?).

Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

#13

Post by nextparadigms »

jbrennan wrote: post #7

It sets a bad precedent, and unfortunately it's not the only country to do so (or consider it). When I was younger, I had always dreamed of living briefly in France or maybe Australia at some point in my life, but both countries now see to either enforce strict censorship, or are on the verge of doing so. I live in Canada, and it wouldn't shock me if our Conservative government did the same, but it still saddens me n…

That revolutionary history was quite a long time ago. France has a pretty conservative culture right now.

Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

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Post by dmitri1981 »

nextparadigms wrote: post #11
madmaze wrote: post #4

If this becomes reality it will seriously set back the value of the internet, its freedom of speech and privacy. It doesnt matter that it is "just" one country. Its a western country and this mindset of censorship and control by such a government worries me. Alot.

This would set a very bad precedent indeed, as other countries will later point to France as an example of how it should be done. Sarkozy wanted to get all the G8 countries on the same page, so they don't look out of place with their new censorship laws. That way if they all enforce the same kind of laws in the same time, they think people would just take it for granted that that's how it should be done, and that "if…

> Fortunately, there are elections next spring

I would say you are mistaken in the belief that these policies exist because of certain leaders. In my opinion, they exist because the electorate is misguided in believing that this kind of 'censorship' is a good idea. Therefore, I would suggest that voting out the incumbent will not necessarily make the problem go away. I believe that the best way to deal with this is by spreading the counter message to show just how foolish and misguided the policies are. In addition, you should write to your government representative and let them know how you feel, ideally providing some good justifications for your argument.

Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

#16

Post by [deleted] »

nextparadigms wrote: post #11
madmaze wrote: post #4

If this becomes reality it will seriously set back the value of the internet, its freedom of speech and privacy. It doesnt matter that it is "just" one country. Its a western country and this mindset of censorship and control by such a government worries me. Alot.

This would set a very bad precedent indeed, as other countries will later point to France as an example of how it should be done. Sarkozy wanted to get all the G8 countries on the same page, so they don't look out of place with their new censorship laws. That way if they all enforce the same kind of laws in the same time, they think people would just take it for granted that that's how it should be done, and that "if…

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Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

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Post by ovi256 »

nextparadigms wrote: post #11
madmaze wrote: post #4

If this becomes reality it will seriously set back the value of the internet, its freedom of speech and privacy. It doesnt matter that it is "just" one country. Its a western country and this mindset of censorship and control by such a government worries me. Alot.

This would set a very bad precedent indeed, as other countries will later point to France as an example of how it should be done. Sarkozy wanted to get all the G8 countries on the same page, so they don't look out of place with their new censorship laws. That way if they all enforce the same kind of laws in the same time, they think people would just take it for granted that that's how it should be done, and that "if…

I can see Sarkozy not being re-elected, but Ron Paul ? That guy is nuts just as well as the other right wing candidates. Furthermore, I am pretty sure you want him only because you don't know him too well. Only his more palatable views have been touted around the web.

Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

#18

Post by yardie »

nextparadigms wrote: post #13
jbrennan wrote: post #7

It sets a bad precedent, and unfortunately it's not the only country to do so (or consider it). When I was younger, I had always dreamed of living briefly in France or maybe Australia at some point in my life, but both countries now see to either enforce strict censorship, or are on the verge of doing so. I live in Canada, and it wouldn't shock me if our Conservative government did the same, but it still saddens me n…

That revolutionary history was quite a long time ago. France has a pretty conservative culture right now.

They are into their 5th republic so the revolution wasn't that long ago.

The student protestors from the 60s are now retired or (even worse) running the government and they are the ones voting on these laws. Unfortunately, Sarkozy is far more popular than I would like him to be and his biggest political rival is sitting in NYC under house arrest.

Re: What the French 'Civilised Internet' Looks Like

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Post by yardie »

maurits wrote: post #6
gorog wrote: post #5

VPN will become the norm. Internet access will be 30€ for the ISP + 5 € for the VPN. Not that much of a big deal for the citizen, more worrying for Paris as a tech scene.

Interesting package deal, as the French also have a pretty stringent anti piracy law. Other side effect, assuming that the VPN is fully encrypted and the server is in a, shall we say more liberal country, is that it will become more easy to pirate things for the average user.

There anti-piracy is more bark than anything. They basically wrote a law with little understanding of its implementation and are trying to push the cost of doing it onto the ISPs who scoffed at the idea (well Free, AFAIK).

Basically they want you to download and install some software on your PC to monitor you for piracy, to prove you're innocent. If you don't install it? You have to prove your innocent without the big brother software. Also, its Windows only. Mac, Unix, Linux are on their own.

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