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Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by raverbashing »

chrischen wrote: post #4
zeb88 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

The grandparent was alleging that their photo tech was better than Google’s. So from whom did they steal it from?

It would be an interesting conversation to try and understand why/how are they better. Is it the sensors? The software? The lenses? In which conditions?

In that specific case I think they probably had better ideas than Google?

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Post by krageon »

zeb88 wrote: post #3
llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

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Post by ansgri »

novium wrote: post #9
dgellow wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean, paying them well?

You could make the case that "stealing" talent is in terms of targeting hiring people where the training and research costs were footed by someone else. Then again, as you pointed out, you could also make the case that they weren't properly compensated.

In Moscow, major Asian companies like Samsung, Huawei, LG all have research centers where they hire some of the best science students from top universities, in particular by organizing joint study programs. This seems to be a widespread practice around the world for them, and actually profitable for both students and universities.

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Post by cyrksoft »

krageon wrote: post #12
zeb88 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

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So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing.

There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any other government from the west. People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.

Imagine insulting the CCP leaders the way everybody does in television in the US to their own government. You’d had the military involved and everybody would disappear and get ‘re-educated’ or murdered.

And, btw, I don’t think the Chinese steal, I think they mostly copy.

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Post by Ceezy »

zeb88 wrote: post #3
llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

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Post by Ceezy »

cyrksoft wrote: post #14
krageon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

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Post by ChemSpider »

llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

> they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons

Which ones? And how were they better?

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by DebtDeflation »

>Huawei Cloud became China's second-largest cloud services provider in the fourth quarter of 2020, growing its Chinese market share to 17.4%, according to data from research company Canalys. This marked a sharp contrast to the fourth quarter of 2019, when Huawei Cloud was not in the top three.

They entered a market dominated by 3 players (Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu) and went from not even on the list to 2nd place with 17.4% share over the course of 1 year, and this is deemed a failure? This is equivalent to a new player entering the US cloud market, leapfrogging GCP and Azure in a year, and then deciding to exit the business because they haven't caught up to AWS yet.

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Post by cyrksoft »

Ceezy wrote: post #16
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Except for recent and pointless wars (mostly US here) you mention things that are more than 100 years old...

China does all those things today. Your point makes no sense whatsoever.

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Post by megous »

Ceezy wrote: post #16
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Obviously only now matters now. Not 150 or 15 years ago. Don't ask me why.
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