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Apple’s Find My network now offers new third-party finding experiences

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This platform expansion looks like it’s laying the groundwork for the launch of Apple’s own long rumoured Tile competitor

This ^. Apple is not doing this out of benevolence. They don't to butt up against EU regulators and US courts. These are what I call "lawyer features"

No, this is literally about about locking people even further into a closed ecosystem by increasing its utility. (And I say this as an Apple fan.)

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What I'm unclear about - does find my find and relay info about other people's stuff with your phone?

Yes, and your stuff through their devices, privately. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet...

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What I'm unclear about - does find my find and relay info about other people's stuff with your phone?

Yes, and your stuff through their devices, privately. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet...

This sounds cool, but does it make sense?

“It uses just tiny bits of data that piggyback on existing network traffic so there’s no need to worry about your battery life, your data usage, or your privacy.”

How do you piggyback on existing traffic without increasing it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and your stuff through their devices, privately. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet...

This sounds cool, but does it make sense? “It uses just tiny bits of data that piggyback on existing network traffic so there’s no need to worry about your battery life, your data usage, or your privacy.” How do you piggyback on existing traffic without increasing it?

There could be segments of the packet that are sending null data that can be leveraged.

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The "find my" program is interesting to me because, for the first time (as far as I'm aware) it uses your devices to provide utility to Apple (to resell).

They remain serious about privacy, but there's still something invasive about it I think they've never done before and always seemed implicitly positioned against.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This ^. Apple is not doing this out of benevolence. They don't to butt up against EU regulators and US courts. These are what I call "lawyer features"

No, this is literally about about locking people even further into a closed ecosystem by increasing its utility. (And I say this as an Apple fan.)

It's a bit baffling that people are aware of anti consumer practices yet are fans.

From the book "The Element", I imagine you(or anyone buying Apple) think you are a unique individual?

Is it possible to snap out of it by using your rational, thinking part of your brain?

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The "find my" program is interesting to me because, for the first time (as far as I'm aware) it uses your devices to provide utility to Apple (to resell). They remain serious about privacy, but there's still something invasive about it I think they've never done before and always seemed implicitly positioned against.

It provides value to Apple by providing value to users. As a user I want to find my lost stuff, Apple now lets me find my stuff without any real cost to me to do some passive scanning.

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The "find my" program is interesting to me because, for the first time (as far as I'm aware) it uses your devices to provide utility to Apple (to resell). They remain serious about privacy, but there's still something invasive about it I think they've never done before and always seemed implicitly positioned against.

Does it matter if they now know where my bike is parked, given that they already know where my phone is (i.e. I am) at all times?

Meanwhile, I agree with you. It would be nice if Apple (or anyone) didn’t have this type of location information about me. However, it seems that ship has sailed and 5G + mesh networks will make it even more precise.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and your stuff through their devices, privately. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet...

This sounds cool, but does it make sense? “It uses just tiny bits of data that piggyback on existing network traffic so there’s no need to worry about your battery life, your data usage, or your privacy.” How do you piggyback on existing traffic without increasing it?

For example, by having a queue that only gets sent when you were going to send something anyway. When you have tiny bits of information, you're getting into the space where setting up the connection, starting the radios or getting them to an active power level is more taxing on the system than the actual sending of the payload.

"No need to worry" doesn't equal 'zero bits transferred', but more like 'so little the impact is immeasurable to you'.

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