Live data from Hacker News

Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

cnn.com

11–20 of 89 posts

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#11

Presumably the political logic to Tech Giants is: agree to higher taxes, unperson our political and ideological opponents, and we won't break you up?

Or this has nothing to do with "ideology". And it's meant to reduce the unfairness in tax rates between individuals (who pay taxes on worldwide income) and corporations (which do not).

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#13
That doesn't seem fair to the smaller (sovereign) countries who want to set their own tax laws to incentivize companies to do business there. In fact, it seems fundamentally outrageous that one country should be able to dictate anything about tax laws in another country. Wars have been fought over such abuses of power.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#14
post #9
post #7

Whether or not we see such a harmonized tax rate emerge and even if we could find a way to have some governing body “enforce” it, you’d still see countries lowering their effective tax rates to lure firms or bolster growth. I bet there’s a maximum sustainable effective corporate tax rate, but I have no idea what it is (and for all I know it could be zero or negative).

Can these small countries who offer the low rates stand up the US sanctions and tarrifs apparatus. The US has alot of strings to pull to make these tax havens cooperate. Thats a nice export industry you have there, would be a shame if something were to happen to it wink nudge.

The point is that effective tax rates can be really subtle.

For instance, you could have a country change what it considers to be “profit” so that you’re paying $2 on $100 of revenue, whereas in the neighboring country you’d be paying $6. Same nominal tax rate, different effective tax rates.

There are even more ways to play this: “Sure, we tax you at the required 20%, but you can then direct how those funds are used to reduce costs you’d otherwise have to pay directly.”

And this happens a ton— see the WTO and “effective” but not nominal tariffs.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#15
post #10

My theory is that inequality is simply the result of globalization and it's not necessarily a bad thing. If you had build the most successful retail business, in 1900 you would own the market in your town; in 1950 in your country; in 2020 you'd own the world (or a big part of it). The opportunity is just a lot bigger now than 50 years ago and that trickles down. Also technology enables goods and services to be produc…

You might enjoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Ce...

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#16

That doesn't seem fair to the smaller (sovereign) countries who want to set their own tax laws to incentivize companies to do business there. In fact, it seems fundamentally outrageous that one country should be able to dictate anything about tax laws in another country. Wars have been fought over such abuses of power.

This is a wild misunderstanding of how the world actually works. Welcome to Realpolitik.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#18
post #16

That doesn't seem fair to the smaller (sovereign) countries who want to set their own tax laws to incentivize companies to do business there. In fact, it seems fundamentally outrageous that one country should be able to dictate anything about tax laws in another country. Wars have been fought over such abuses of power.

This is a wild misunderstanding of how the world actually works. Welcome to Realpolitik.

I don't think it's valid to say that the parent has misunderstood how the world works without saying what you believe that misunderstanding to be. It seems perfectly logical to think that a corporation would be attracted to places with lower corporate tax rates to use as a tax shelter.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#19
post #10

My theory is that inequality is simply the result of globalization and it's not necessarily a bad thing. If you had build the most successful retail business, in 1900 you would own the market in your town; in 1950 in your country; in 2020 you'd own the world (or a big part of it). The opportunity is just a lot bigger now than 50 years ago and that trickles down. Also technology enables goods and services to be produc…

Inequality is simply inherent to capitalism. The free flow of capital, goods and labor will always see concentration happening. The issue is that it should be very possible to eliminate true poverty with reasonable redistribution policy. Capitalism (and Industrialization) have gotten us tantalizing close to a post-scarcity economy. We still need the last 1/3 or so of the world to get on the trolley while addressing our growing ecological crises. Both of which are hard problems to solve, but at this point we actually probably have all the ammunition we need if we can just summon the will. We can reach a point where we still have some absurdly wealthy people, but everyone else down the ladder has food, shelter, health care and dignity available at all times.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#20
We need a global maximum, of 0%.

I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, employees, owners, and customers. But this just means who bears the burden is now an opaque function of relative bargaining power and price elasticity of supply and demand.

But that is not what we want from tax rates. We want them to be an open, transparent reflection of democratically passed laws. To that end, it is far better to levy taxes directly on suppliers, employees, owners, and customers of businesses, rather than on the businesses. This would also have the nice side effect of causing businesses to choose where they locate headquarters and factories based on something other than comparative tax rates, reducing an avenue of both dead weight loss and potential corruption.

Post reply on HN